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Post by astock5000 on Dec 16, 2008 20:00:38 GMT
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Post by madonion on Dec 16, 2008 22:13:42 GMT
yeah i read this earlier. I can't wait! it should cut my journey from abbey wood to mile end by at least 10 minutes (hopefully 15)  it's just a shame the frequency isn't as good as on the lewisham branch..... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2008 2:52:12 GMT
Its opening on the 10th as reported tho my source from DLR has said keep the 12th Jan free ;-) Think thats going to be the offical openning.
More information as I get it!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2008 21:08:48 GMT
Its opening on the 10th as reported tho my source from DLR has said keep the 12th Jan free ;-) Think thats going to be the offical openning. More information as I get it! Any chance it could open extra early? I seem to remeber the Lewisham section opened very suddenly like 5pm at night? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2008 11:26:43 GMT
I can only say what Ive been told. You might find in early jan trains run empty to Woolwich but as for surprise earlier I dont think so.
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Post by astock5000 on Dec 26, 2008 20:52:35 GMT
Any chance it could open extra early? I seem to remeber the Lewisham section opened very suddenly like 5pm at night? Will the Woolwich Arsenal extension open when the service starts on January 10th, or will it open sometime in the day like the Lewisham extension did? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2008 21:34:03 GMT
As far as I know it will open at the start of traffic.
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Post by astock5000 on Dec 30, 2008 19:50:52 GMT
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 6, 2009 20:04:26 GMT
If the Woolwich Arsenal extension is opening on the 10th, why haven't TfL said anything about it yet? All I can find on their website is 'opens January' or 'early 2009'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2009 23:24:19 GMT
thats a werid one but may after the Overground platforms they are keeping this one quiet and do a massive press thingy on the 12th?
That way they can say it open already without the press jumping on it and a couple of days bedding in?
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Post by 21146 on Jan 6, 2009 23:44:07 GMT
The Lewisham extension and various Jubilee Line extensions opened "on the quiet" if I recall
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Post by ianvisits on Jan 7, 2009 10:15:08 GMT
Question: Can I really get up early enough in the morning to catch the first train to Woolwich?
Hmmm.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2009 21:13:17 GMT
Question: Can I really get up early enough in the morning to catch the first train to Woolwich? Hmmm. Ive been thinking the same thing! |
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Post by ianvisits on Jan 8, 2009 10:43:33 GMT
With the caveat that the TfL Journey planner is about as accurate as one of Gordon Brown's economic predictions...
...it is suggesting that trains will be running on Saturday morning to Woolwich DLR
Woot!
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Post by jimini on Jan 8, 2009 12:23:07 GMT
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 8, 2009 20:24:50 GMT
I've noticed that it also says that DLR 'hope to return to a full timetable in the spring'. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2009 21:08:05 GMT
I've noticed that it also says that DLR 'hope to return to a full timetable in the spring'. Yep, when Tower Gateway opens up and Beckton service can run back as normal. |
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 8, 2009 22:23:22 GMT
I don't see why they couldn't run the Beckton service to Shadwell at the moment. Trains don't take long to reverse there (I saw some trains reverse there when there was a problem, and there was a queue of trains at Shadwell WB), so I don't think they would get in the way of trains going to Bank. Maybe it wouldn't work in the peaks, but they should be able to through the day.
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Post by jimini on Jan 8, 2009 23:06:38 GMT
The other thing this temporary timetable reveals is that the Bank > Lewisham peak frequency's only going to be every five minutes. That's going to be fun in the mornings?!
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Post by thirstquensher on Jan 8, 2009 23:35:49 GMT
I don't see why they couldn't run the Beckton service to Shadwell at the moment. Trains don't take long to reverse there (I saw some trains reverse there when there was a problem, and there was a queue of trains at Shadwell WB), so I don't think they would get in the way of trains going to Bank. Maybe it wouldn't work in the peaks, but they should be able to through the day. The mad thing is, there are STILL trains from Beckton - Bank (or more often Gallions Reach - Bank). They're just only slightly less than semi-regular. Whenever I leave for work in the mornings, there always tends to be 1 Bank train for every 2-3 Canning Town train. The signage showing NO through trains available at all is rather misleading. Similarly, I've been at Bank in evening rush hour and managed to get either a Beckton or a Gallions Reach train. Trouble is, often they show up as a KGV train on the PID until the last minute then change (or get inserted). |
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Post by amershamsi on Jan 9, 2009 0:03:05 GMT
I don't understand why the Beckton branch needs to join Amersham in having twice the off peak frequency compared to peak frequency (12tph between 1000 and 1600, 6tph otherwise). It's madness given the Woolwich branch would only get 9tph maximum, and 6tph in that inter-peak time.
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Post by thirstquensher on Jan 9, 2009 15:39:51 GMT
I don't understand why the Beckton branch needs to join Amersham in having twice the off peak frequency compared to peak frequency (12tph between 1000 and 1600, 6tph otherwise). It's madness given the Woolwich branch would only get 9tph maximum, and 6tph in that inter-peak time. Perhaps because that's the norm for shuttle services? Should trains that travel between two fairly close locations stable up in order to create a delay, just to generate a "normal" peak frequency, when it's just as easy to continue running the trains at the same speed and with the same dwell times as they otherwise would, providing a frequent service as a happy consequence? Why deliberately reduce train frequency on a stretch of line when there is no reason for it except to say it's not normal on other lines/bits of line, where the operating parameters are totally different? |
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 9, 2009 16:28:38 GMT
The mad thing is, there are STILL trains from Beckton - Bank (or more often Gallions Reach - Bank). They're just only slightly less than semi-regular. Whenever I leave for work in the mornings, there always tends to be 1 Bank train for every 2-3 Canning Town train. The signage showing NO through trains available at all is rather misleading. Similarly, I've been at Bank in evening rush hour and managed to get either a Beckton or a Gallions Reach train. Trouble is, often they show up as a KGV train on the PID until the last minute then change (or get inserted). Those trais are probably trains going to/from Beckton depot. Some trains have run Lewisham - Gallions Reach at the end of the peaks (I don't know if any do at the moment). |
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jan 9, 2009 16:39:00 GMT
Who is going tomorrow?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2009 21:45:35 GMT
Just to let you know the first train on the extension is just after 5am!
Monday's offical openning will be interesting (least for me!)
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jan 9, 2009 21:50:24 GMT
Oh damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!Why does the offical opening have to be when I am at school  |
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Post by madonion on Jan 10, 2009 12:42:22 GMT
yeah, i'm going to be there on monday but not until 11. I suspect the official opening will be over by then.
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Post by 21146 on Jan 10, 2009 15:49:55 GMT
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 10, 2009 16:42:13 GMT
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Post by amershamsi on Jan 10, 2009 17:00:15 GMT
Perhaps because that's the norm for shuttle services? Should trains that travel between two fairly close locations stable up in order to create a delay, just to generate a "normal" peak frequency, when it's just as easy to continue running the trains at the same speed and with the same dwell times as they otherwise would, providing a frequent service as a happy consequence? I think you've completely misunderstood - at peak times, the shuttle runs every ten minutes, yet off peak runs every 5 - dwell times and speed no doubt says the same, but number of trains doubles. There are no additional trains on the Beckton branch timetables (eg through trains at every ten minutes during peaks which would justify the increase in shuttle frequency from 10 to 4). It would be fine if it was every 10 minutes throughout the day, which, except for the inter-peak, it is. I don't think it's normal for shuttle services I know of elsewhere on the rail network to INCREASE in frequency (save to replace through-trains) outside the peaks. There's no need for trains to stable up, except for in the peak period, when the frequency is less (I'm guessing they'd actually be used elsewhere). All your reasoning there just shows the sillyness of this set up. You condemn having more trains in the peak, and changing a short shuttle's frequency. However what I was having a go at was the increase in the inter-peak, not that the peak didn't have more trains, but that the inter-peak did.I'm not saying deliberately reduce the frequency, I'm saying it is strange to deliberately increase it during the inter-peaks (effectively reducing the frequency in the peaks for no reason). My comments were saying it was strange, yet you provide the argument against such a strange set-up while trying to do the opposite. |
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