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Post by markextube on Sept 20, 2005 23:42:07 GMT
I've read in a couple of places that the refurb D stock was first of all banned then allowed on the richmond branch but only if it travelled at a reduced speed at Kew gardens.
This was brought about as somebody at Network rail said that the refurb stock supposedly has somthing different about the exterior that effected the clearence.
Does anybody know what this something is as i cannot see anything that obvious on the refurb exterior that would effect this?
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Post by Colin on Sept 21, 2005 1:02:57 GMT
It is not a clearance problem - there's a weight limit on the Eastbound at Kew Gardens. Refurb trains run at reduced speed in the platform area to remain safe.
EDIT: Doesn't apply to Jim, cos he aint driven one yet!! ;D ;D
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Post by trainopd78 on Sept 21, 2005 20:08:35 GMT
The restriction applies to the Eastbound at Kew Gardens only. A Refirbished D stock is 6 ton heavier than a non refirb, and this extra weight creates more sway of the car body when the train moves. The Platform at Kew Gdns must be tighter than others as this is the only one to have this problem.
As a train sways less at lower speed, the restriction has been placed to minimise the risk.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 21, 2005 21:28:06 GMT
A Refirbished D stock is 6 ton heavier than a non refirb.... What is the reason for all the extra weight? I wouldn't have thought that a coat of paint and the poles would weigh that much more. Especially as they'll have taken some stuff out as well. |
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Post by markextube on Sept 21, 2005 22:54:35 GMT
I see yea makes sense now as i've read each car is a ton heavier ! So unles they sort Kew out this'll be like this until the new stock comes in.
Forever then!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2005 1:21:43 GMT
A Refirbished D stock is 6 ton heavier than a non refirb.... What is the reason for all the extra weight? I wouldn't have thought that a coat of paint and the poles would weigh that much more. Especially as they'll have taken some stuff out as well. Cab air con unit's and Static Converter's being the biggies, lots of other bits such as DMI's, CIS system and paint  |
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Post by trainopd78 on Sept 22, 2005 8:28:18 GMT
Paint weighs more than you think too. Carry a large can of the stuff for a while and you'll get my point. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2005 10:03:38 GMT
The limit at Kew Gardens eastbound is 20mph for the refurbs. A bit of a pain considering normally you'd be doing about 40.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2005 10:16:30 GMT
The limit at Kew Gardens eastbound is 20mph for the refurbs. A bit of a pain considering normally you'd be doing about 40. This is probably a silly question, but shouldn't you be stopping? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2005 13:07:21 GMT
The limit at Kew Gardens eastbound is 20mph for the refurbs. A bit of a pain considering normally you'd be doing about 40. This is probably a silly question, but shouldn't you be stopping? Yes, but drivers would normally hit the platform, doing more than 20mph, which is the new restriction. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2005 13:11:21 GMT
This is probably a silly question, but shouldn't you be stopping? Yes, but drivers would normally hit the platform, doing more than 20mph, which is the new restriction. Perhaps I should rephrase that, not literally "hitting the platform" but "entering the platform" |
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Post by Chris M on Sept 24, 2005 13:52:10 GMT
Yes, but drivers would normally hit the platform, doing more than 20mph, which is the new restriction. Perhaps I should rephrase that, not literally "hitting the platform" but "entering the platform" You might want to rephrase that again - there are people with dirty minds on this forum...  ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2005 13:56:40 GMT
Perhaps I should rephrase that, not literally "hitting the platform" but "entering the platform" You might want to rephrase that again - there are people with dirty minds on this forum... ;D Such as yourself? ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2005 14:28:50 GMT
This is probably a silly question, but shouldn't you be stopping? Yes, but drivers would normally hit the platform, doing more than 20mph, which is the new restriction. Yes, that's what I meant. You'd approach at around 40 and only brake just before the platform, but now you have to be down to 20 when you reach the start of the platform. |
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Post by q8 on Sept 24, 2005 14:47:54 GMT
I suppose this boils down to who is going to pay for the platform nosing stone trimming to allow normal running.
Notwork Fail = "Oh no, not us they are your trains" LUL = "Can't be our bill, it's your station"
When the arguing finishes the new stock will have arrived.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 24, 2005 14:52:07 GMT
...which will be 3ft narrower making the point moot |
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Post by Phil on Sept 24, 2005 21:36:26 GMT
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Post by Chris M on Sept 25, 2005 2:00:03 GMT
I remember someone saying about how most new stock these days is much smaller than the older stocks (it was probably, but not necessarily, on this forum), and that was a reference to that. Particularly as the new stock is to be generic to all subsurface lines, and recently in railway terms where one-size fits all that size has generally been smaller than average.
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Post by q8 on Sept 25, 2005 5:44:25 GMT
I doubt if it will be as much a 3ft though Chris. The old 'F' stock was 9' 7" wide and they had universal clearance on the combine. They were also IMHO the finest body design ever produced for ssl lines both internally in the seating arrangements and externally with door positioning. The only feature I would not retain is the oval windows.
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