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Post by sammyj on Sept 5, 2008 12:30:56 GMT
At Elephant and Castle, Brixton & Walthemstow the tunnels look like to go further, do they lead to anything??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2008 12:46:30 GMT
Dragons - you occasionally see smoke coming out ;-)
Serious answer: sidings. Each of the Victoria line terminal sidings can (and do) take a full length train for out-stabling. I think Elephant sidings might be longer, someone with more knowledge will be along shortly (or you might be able to find out by searching through the Bakerloo threads).
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Post by sammyj on Sept 5, 2008 13:00:23 GMT
Thanks for that, i do try to have a peek but a train always terminates just as im trying to get a look
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Post by Oracle on Sept 5, 2008 14:44:37 GMT
Weren't the Elephant sidings able at one stage to take two trains each?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2008 17:11:45 GMT
There is a siding beyond each platform each siding can accomodate just one train.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2008 21:36:33 GMT
Weren't the Elephant sidings able at one stage to take two trains each? Brixton sidings are definitely long enough for 2 trains just about (although not signalled, obviously!). |
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Post by DWS on Sept 5, 2008 22:04:16 GMT
Weren't the Elephant sidings able at one stage to take two trains each? Yes when Elephant & Castle had a signal Box, it was normal to stable 2 trains in one of the sidings on nights when a platform need to be keeped clear for the pit to be cleaned. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2008 22:26:26 GMT
People have wondered for years how far the tunnels actually extend beyond the brick walls at Brixton. Rumour has it that its a mile or so........................... I love rumours................
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Post by towerman on Sept 5, 2008 23:04:46 GMT
The tunnels at Walthamstow stop underneath the Methodist chuch in Orford Rd,if anyone here knows that area.
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 5, 2008 23:57:01 GMT
If I remember I'll look in the TC supplements in a couple of days to give you at least the signalled length- I'm surprised you've not asked about Charing Cross (Jubilee) as the sidings go on an awful long way for the 'future extension of the Fleet Line'  EDIT: There's been no further track actually laid southwards since the 1941 resignalling of Elephant has there? The operational railway is still a train-length-and-a-bit-of-leeway into the sidings - wasn't there a discussion here recently about the tunnels being plugged or am I getting confused with the Charing Cross (Hampstead) Loop? |
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Post by ruislip on Sept 6, 2008 5:16:26 GMT
Don't the sidings at Elephant reach almost to where a station on the proposed Campberwell extension was planned?
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Post by 21146 on Sept 6, 2008 7:22:44 GMT
People have wondered for years how far the tunnels actually extend beyond the brick walls at Brixton. Rumour has it that its a mile or so........................... I love rumours................ According to the Engineering Directorate maps - The Victoria Line Brixton tunnels end just beyond the junction of Somerleyton Road/Broughton Drive (around no.85 Somerleyton Road). The Walthamstow Central tunnels end under the rear of no.20 Second Avenue. The Jubilee Line Charing Cross tunnels (discussed before) go as far as no.143 Strand, shortly beyond Lancaster Place. The Bakerloo Line Elephant & Castle tunnels go south-east under the shopping centre with the NB bore stopping under NR Up line and the SB bore reaching to the junction of Walworth Road/Elephant Road. The Central Line Liverpool Street siding tunnels end at Spital Square. |
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Post by Oracle on Sept 6, 2008 9:31:29 GMT
wasn't there a discussion here recently about the tunnels being plugged Yes, we did discuss this recently. An ex-driver told me many years ago that he had been down with a mate to the end of the tunnels and said that they had been bricked-up, though someone had made a hole in the wall not doubt so see what was beyond. Rumours persist that the tunnels were dug as far as Camberwell but I think they are confusing with experimental tunnelling at that location which I seem to recall. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2008 9:52:36 GMT
Although not LUL anymore. I have been told that at the end of tunnel on platform 10 at Moorgate on the old Northern & City line (the one which did not have the accident), the original tunnel cutting machine is bricked up inside.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2008 10:08:12 GMT
Although not LUL anymore. I have been told that at the end of tunnel on platform 10 at Moorgate on the old Northern & City line (the one which did not have the accident), the original tunnel cutting machine is bricked up inside. Yes indeed. The GNCR decided that the expense of dismantling and removing the machine would be more than its value as scrap metal, so it's still there. It should be very exciting to Time Team if they ever spend three days digging at Moorgate. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2008 11:54:55 GMT
So there is actually a 100+ year old tunnelling machine buried there?
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Post by ianvisits on Sept 7, 2008 9:08:14 GMT
It's not uncommon to just bury the tunnelling shield/machine in the ground when finished with it where the cost of extraction is not worth the hassle.
There is a remnant of the tunnelling shield still in place and rediscovered during the DLR extension to Bank - you can see it in the pedestrian tunnel linking the DLR to the Waterloo & City Line.
When the two boring machines for the Channel Tunnel met for the last time, the UK model was driven downwards and is still there, buried just under the finished tunnels.
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Post by cityaet on Sept 18, 2008 7:09:49 GMT
So there is actually a 100+ year old tunnelling machine buried there? Apparently so, I have been down on platforms 9 and 10 and there is a lot of things in the ends of those tunnels. Platform 10 like you say I think has the machine behind the wall, Apparently you can access that Void area too... There is also an access to the ventilation shafts there too, Moorgate is a bit of a Maze |
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