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NOC
Aug 24, 2008 13:02:02 GMT
Post by programmes1 on Aug 24, 2008 13:02:02 GMT
Can anyone tell me exactly what the NOC is I have been told it's a control centre for LU and it has phones, alarms, warnings for the entire system?
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NOC
Aug 24, 2008 14:11:20 GMT
Post by Colin on Aug 24, 2008 14:11:20 GMT
NOC stands for Network Operations Centre. It performs many operational functions for the entire LU network which include, but is by no means limited to: - Liaison with service control for each line
- Provision of real time network information (ie, status boards in stations, website, teletext, etc, etc
- Co-ordination of essential things like LU's emergency response unit, summoning fire & ambulance services, etc
- Co-ordination of LU's taxi contract with London's black taxi's
- Co-ordination with other transport providers like London's buses, National Rail operators, etc - particularly in respect of ad-hoc ticket acceptance
The list could go on, but hopefully you get the idea..... |
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Aug 24, 2008 15:22:13 GMT
Post by programmes1 on Aug 24, 2008 15:22:13 GMT
Colin cheers I know I put phones a bit daft really but what about alarms and warnings for the system, I know an alarm could be similar to a warning but different items get classed differently.
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Aug 24, 2008 15:41:08 GMT
Post by upfast on Aug 24, 2008 15:41:08 GMT
They used to deal with LUL Telephone Faults, but this is now managed by Telephone Services.
I believe they still deal with Exchange entry and alarms and address checks for revenue staff as well as station aliasing (setting up oyster to be valid at other local stations during disruption).
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Aug 24, 2008 17:05:13 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2008 17:05:13 GMT
NOC don't handle any ticketing issues anymore - It's now handled by OOC - Oyster Operation centre (or whatever they're called).
Not forgetting that NOC would provide a network wide strategic overview, so they would view the network as a whole rather than the service controllers who overview the lines they're responsible for. A gold control function in formal incident management.
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NOC
Aug 24, 2008 18:20:18 GMT
Post by programmes1 on Aug 24, 2008 18:20:18 GMT
Cheers guys so that's telephone exchanges and ticket gates are there any other alarms for whatever?
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Aug 24, 2008 19:33:59 GMT
Post by upfast on Aug 24, 2008 19:33:59 GMT
Cheers guys so that's telephone exchanges and ticket gates are there any other alarms for whatever? Unless it has changed. |
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Aug 24, 2008 22:52:16 GMT
Post by 21146 on Aug 24, 2008 22:52:16 GMT
Alarm-wise, ticket office safes at single-staffed stations and station-side Connect radios, that's all.
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NOC
Aug 25, 2008 8:23:35 GMT
Post by upfast on Aug 25, 2008 8:23:35 GMT
Alarm-wise, ticket office safes at single-staffed stations and station-side Connect radios, that's all. Do staff still have to contact the NOC before entering Telephone Exchanges? |
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Aug 25, 2008 10:08:32 GMT
Post by 21146 on Aug 25, 2008 10:08:32 GMT
Alarm-wise, ticket office safes at single-staffed stations and station-side Connect radios, that's all. Do staff still have to contact the NOC before entering Telephone Exchanges? Not any more - it's managed by Damovo on behalf of Telephone Services. |
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NOC
Aug 25, 2008 10:09:25 GMT
Post by happybunny on Aug 25, 2008 10:09:25 GMT
I always was under the impression that NCC stood for 'no c*** cares' ... the lovely people at NCC got offended and upset by this so changed there name to NOC, 'no-one cares' - much less rude!
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Aug 25, 2008 10:32:10 GMT
Post by programmes1 on Aug 25, 2008 10:32:10 GMT
I have asked the person who told me about the NOC he agrees with what you guys have said still don't know if he worked there, but he said that before they moved to where it is there were indicators for sections of the system and there was an early warning system?? other than that he wont mention anymore.
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Aug 25, 2008 10:37:29 GMT
Post by 21146 on Aug 25, 2008 10:37:29 GMT
By "indicators" do you mean the old time clocks with paper inserts as are still in the ground floor reception at Broadway and were also once at Piccadilly Circus?
These were never in the current NOC/NCC but were in Room 222, 55 Broadway, the former HQ Controller's office.
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Aug 25, 2008 10:40:03 GMT
Post by 21146 on Aug 25, 2008 10:40:03 GMT
NOC stands for Network Operations Centre. It performs many operational functions for the entire LU network which include, but is by no means limited to: - Liaison with service control for each line
- Provision of real time network information (ie, status boards in stations, website, teletext, etc, etc
- Co-ordination of essential things like LU's emergency response unit, summoning fire & ambulance services, etc
- Co-ordination of LU's taxi contract with London's black taxi's
- Co-ordination with other transport providers like London's buses, National Rail operators, etc - particularly in respect of ad-hoc ticket acceptance
The list could go on, but hopefully you get the idea..... Plus takes the lead on power, flooding and security issues. |
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Aug 25, 2008 11:56:29 GMT
Post by programmes1 on Aug 25, 2008 11:56:29 GMT
By "indicators" do you mean the old time clocks with paper inserts as are still in the ground floor reception at Broadway and were also once at Piccadilly Circus? These were never in the current NOC/NCC but were in Room 222, 55 Broadway, the former HQ Controller's office. You mean the ones at Piccadilly Circus are gone have not been to Piccadilly for a long time, these are time interval clocks so I suppose the answer is no they were described as indicators for around the system as well as an early warning system. |
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Aug 25, 2008 13:04:20 GMT
Post by 21146 on Aug 25, 2008 13:04:20 GMT
By "indicators" do you mean the old time clocks with paper inserts as are still in the ground floor reception at Broadway and were also once at Piccadilly Circus? These were never in the current NOC/NCC but were in Room 222, 55 Broadway, the former HQ Controller's office. You mean the ones at Piccadilly Circus are gone have not been to Piccadilly for a long time, these are time interval clocks so I suppose the answer is no they were described as indicators for around the system as well as an early warning system. Long-gone I think, only the "World Clock" remains. |
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Aug 25, 2008 16:25:43 GMT
Post by JR 15secs on Aug 25, 2008 16:25:43 GMT
The indicators you mention were for earth detection around the system, the early warning was to do with something else I'll check my notes.
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Aug 25, 2008 17:14:23 GMT
Post by Colin on Aug 25, 2008 17:14:23 GMT
I have asked the person who told me about the NOC he agrees with what you guys have said still don't know if he worked there, but he said that before they moved to where it is there were indicators for sections of the system and there was an early warning system?? other than that he wont mention anymore. Strikes me that perhaps this person doesn't actually know as much as they think they do..... |
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Aug 25, 2008 22:32:47 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2008 22:32:47 GMT
I have asked the person who told me about the NOC he agrees with what you guys have said still don't know if he worked there, but he said that before they moved to where it is there were indicators for sections of the system and there was an early warning system?? other than that he wont mention anymore. Did he used to be a Headquarters Controller? One of my colleagues is an ex HQ controller I could ask him about it. |
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Aug 25, 2008 22:48:47 GMT
Post by Tubeboy on Aug 25, 2008 22:48:47 GMT
Who is in charge of the NOC? Is it still AB?
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Aug 25, 2008 23:58:56 GMT
Post by 21146 on Aug 25, 2008 23:58:56 GMT
Who is in charge of the NOC? Is it still AB? AB yes. Traction Earth Detectors removed 2008. |
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Aug 26, 2008 3:30:37 GMT
Post by Tubeboy on Aug 26, 2008 3:30:37 GMT
Traction Earth Detectors removed 2008. Eh?! Not referring to the Jubilee power supply incident from a few months ago are you? |
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NOC
Aug 26, 2008 10:09:24 GMT
Post by programmes1 on Aug 26, 2008 10:09:24 GMT
I have asked the person who told me about the NOC he agrees with what you guys have said still don't know if he worked there, but he said that before they moved to where it is there were indicators for sections of the system and there was an early warning system?? other than that he wont mention anymore. Strikes me that perhaps this person doesn't actually know as much as they think they do..... I have a feeling that although he worked for LU he did not work in the NOC or the former location HQ controllers office he just spoke as if he did perhaps if I posted his name but that would not be the thing to do. |
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Aug 26, 2008 10:11:33 GMT
Post by programmes1 on Aug 26, 2008 10:11:33 GMT
I have asked the person who told me about the NOC he agrees with what you guys have said still don't know if he worked there, but he said that before they moved to where it is there were indicators for sections of the system and there was an early warning system?? other than that he wont mention anymore. Did he used to be a Headquarters Controller? One of my colleagues is an ex HQ controller I could ask him about it. I have a feeling that he was not as I replied to Colin but would be interested if you could ask your colleague. |
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Aug 28, 2008 7:11:35 GMT
Post by railtechnician on Aug 28, 2008 7:11:35 GMT
Who is in charge of the NOC? Is it still AB? AB yes. Traction Earth Detectors removed 2008. That's a shame! I designed, built and installed the original TED remote monitoring unit and indication panel at NCC. I did other works there as well including the installation of the BBMS equipment at the NCC and the distribution equipment for it at Leicester Square and part of the same package involved works in the MICC. I think the NCC/MICC work was the last time I worked at 55 BDY, it all seems so long ago now, must be because it is! |
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Aug 28, 2008 17:20:58 GMT
Post by JR 15secs on Aug 28, 2008 17:20:58 GMT
The original HQ office at 55 BDY opened in 1962 having moved from Leicester Square someone at LU did a history of the various offices I can not find my notes but I think the early warning was to do with flooding, someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
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Aug 29, 2008 8:25:03 GMT
Post by programmes1 on Aug 29, 2008 8:25:03 GMT
The original HQ office at 55 BDY opened in 1962 having moved from Leicester Square someone at LU did a history of the various offices I can not find my notes but I think the early warning was to do with flooding, someone will correct me if I'm wrong. Was there some sort of supplement issued I have checked my yellow perils and can not find anything. |
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Aug 29, 2008 23:19:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2008 23:19:19 GMT
I am sure the move of the Head Contollers from Leicester Square to 55 Broadway in 1962 was covered by a Traffic Circular entry - cannot trace a Yellow Peril.
A brief Control Office history was published in UndergrounD No.6 (July 1980), but long out of print.
The "early warning" was definitely not to do with flooding - there were (and presumably still are) procedures for dealing with flooding.
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Aug 30, 2008 10:06:50 GMT
Post by JR 15secs on Aug 30, 2008 10:06:50 GMT
There was a supplement to the traffic circular issued (white) not a yellow peril though.
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Aug 30, 2008 11:08:31 GMT
Post by railtechnician on Aug 30, 2008 11:08:31 GMT
The original HQ office at 55 BDY opened in 1962 having moved from Leicester Square someone at LU did a history of the various offices I can not find my notes but I think the early warning was to do with flooding, someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I first saw the old controllers offices at Leicester Square in 1980, we used to go there to rob parts from the old desks to keep other sites going, at the time I didn't realise it had been vacated so long before then. On the night that NCC opened I gutted the comms equipment from the old HQ office, I remember thinking what a dingey place it was compared to other parts of 55 BDY that I worked in including the basement and on the rooves. The history of the Control Offices appeared online somewhere a year or two back but I can't for the life of me remember where although it was a very good read and tied up nicely with my experiences of working at the old Baker St control offices before we floated the desks down the corridor on air bags to allow building refurbishment! |
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