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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2008 1:21:04 GMT
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Post by ruislip on Mar 7, 2008 21:04:48 GMT
Did you notice that the Fleet is actually the Jubilee? |
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Post by owen on Mar 7, 2008 23:52:24 GMT
That was the Jubilee's original name
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Post by amershamsi on Mar 8, 2008 0:19:01 GMT
You're missing Cannon Street staion on the Fleet (interchange with Bank as well) and Ludgate Circus would interchanged with Blackfriars. One would also guess that Fenchurch street would interchange with Tower Hill.
I now know why the Fleet wasn't built - the map in the City area would have been a mess!
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Post by owen on Mar 8, 2008 3:16:51 GMT
Though it would be interesting to see LU in Kent
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2008 14:16:29 GMT
You're missing Cannon Street staion on the Fleet (interchange with Bank as well) and Ludgate Circus would interchanged with Blackfriars. One would also guess that Fenchurch street would interchange with Tower Hill. I now know why the Fleet wasn't built - the map in the City area would have been a mess! The map was developed using a booklet on the openning of the Phase One of the Jubilee in 1979. It had a geographical map and I translated this into the current map. As for missing stations, well back in 1979 this booklet didnt have it so I didnt use it. |
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Post by Alight on Mar 14, 2008 22:56:25 GMT
Quite off the above, but why arn't Line diagrams included on TFL anymore? www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/1108.aspxSuch a shame, as I did like to read them, unless there is another way of accessing? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2008 13:07:16 GMT
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Post by Ben on Mar 19, 2008 17:14:56 GMT
There was an older version of the vic map online too (concurrent with the recent one), but its been removed now.
Suggs, have you thought about doing the central line? Theres been a lot of extensions proposed for that. Denham, Uxbridge, the express lines, Abridge etc
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 12:01:07 GMT
I called LU Customer services this morning and they told me that TfL won't be posting back the link for the Tube line maps for the individual lines. They said that they see it as a duplication of work as the information is shown on the Standard tube map and the other maps.
I guess that means that the links above are there for now and may remain there, but will never be updated again with the new line maps unless TfL changes there minds.
I personally liked these maps better as they were easier to read and to see the info. than on the tube map which is cluttered. Myself not living in the UK relied on these to see the changes that were happening to the line maps.
Is there anyway someone could start up a flickr page or something to post regular updated pictures of the line maps when updated on the actual trains ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2008 5:51:44 GMT
I think that TfL would take action for breach of copyright!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2008 8:34:26 GMT
....and as people have found out, TfL don't like people using their maps, variations of their maps, or logos!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2008 9:37:54 GMT
There was a time, I think in the 1970s, when London Transport would not allow preserved buses to carry the London Transport or Green Line fleet names.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2008 11:59:39 GMT
Syd I don't get it. How can TfL take action for posting pictures of the CLD's that are in the underground system when people all over the world do it all the time e.g. vacation pics of when they travel on the underground etc.
If that is the case then TfL would be taken action against thousands of people.
What about some of the people on this site like Mack who I'm sure don't have TfL's permission to create there own maps like he has been doing, using the Poster maps on the TfL webpage or pictures of the March pocket map on this site.
Your logic doesn't make any sense ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2008 22:12:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2008 0:56:15 GMT
Hi have read this article before, but again it refers to people creating alternative maps using existing maps. I am saying that it is okay to post pictures taken on the actual underground network of posters and diagrams.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2008 7:19:03 GMT
Hi have read this article before, but again it refers to people creating alternative maps using existing maps. I am saying that it is okay to post pictures taken on the actual underground network of posters and diagrams. No, it is not: it is a breach of copyright. In practice, T fL does not go after tourists who take a picture of an Underground map for private purposes, but they are quite aggressive in pursuing those who put Underground maps on the web. I believe it has been held that they cannot copyright the actual geography of the Underground, and so anyone can publish an accurate map (as opposed to diagram). When it comes to diagrams, the question is whether a diagram is sufficiently similar to the official one to constitute a breach of copyright. There is discussion of this in the book Underground Maps After Beck.If you copy an official map - whether by photo or by hand - and publish it, then it's a breach of copyright. |
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Post by Oracle on Mar 30, 2008 10:00:58 GMT
My belief is that 'maps' over 50 years old are copyright-free. Whether this extends to diagrams or whether diagrams are subject to the 50-year as against say the 75-year rule is open to suggestions.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 30, 2008 18:57:11 GMT
AIUI most "maps" are copyright free after 50 years because most maps are produced or derived from Ordnance Survey data which is Crown copyright, which legislation defines as lasting for 50 years.
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Post by Oracle on Mar 30, 2008 20:58:54 GMT
I must check up whether crown copyright is 50 years...maps are subject to the 50-year rule, and the 50-year rule applies thank goodness in Canada to crown copyright, hence to military vehicle photos and Ford, GM and Chrysler official shots taken for the Canadian Government.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2008 14:03:19 GMT
Can someone tell me what the sticker text over Shepherd's Bush station says on the Central Line map ?
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Post by Ben on May 2, 2008 14:45:15 GMT
Not quite a line diagram, but didnt want to start a new thread. I thought there was some mileage in this so I tryed it out. And its working! I'll finish it soon though, but the point is Beck unknowingly had a working framework for todays railway 50 years back! Enjoy!  images1.fotopic.net/?iid=yt6d7k&outx=600&noresize=1&nostamp=1 |
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Post by ruislip on May 2, 2008 16:06:13 GMT
Not quite a line diagram, but didnt want to start a new thread. I thought there was some mileage in this so I tryed it out. And its working! I'll finish it soon though, but the point is Beck unknowingly had a working framework for todays railway 50 years back! Enjoy! images1.fotopic.net/?iid=yt6d7k&outx=600&noresize=1&nostamp=1You left out the Piccadilly to Heathrow. I thought I'd mention that since you added the Victoria and Jubilee lines. |
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Post by Ben on May 2, 2008 16:07:55 GMT
Indeed...still a couple of bits left. Work in progress, thanks though |
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Post by Ben on May 2, 2008 16:14:23 GMT
Actually, Heathrow is an interesting one for this diagram. I might have to make it make it do a right angle at Oysterly (good pun eh?  ) and bring it down level to Richmond in order to gain enough space. Oddly enough for Beck, he hadnt brough Richmond and the New Cross's in line with each other, instead they were just out, not due to the presence of the key either. A shame I had to get rid of the characteristic triangle at Holborn, but I think the names are now better spaced...this is of course subjective. |
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Post by max on May 8, 2008 17:22:51 GMT
I think that the top of the Circle is going to defeat you, three very thick lines to fit in. It might be better to work with the never-released as poster/card folder late Beck map, which turns up in late 1950s Underground guides. It had much thinner lines (Beck's preference) and so is a bit more spacious.
Even so, everything in the centre is very crushed together, so although you might get this to work, it probably won't be in a form that would ever have been publishable. The straight Bakerloo puts too much pressure on the centre, which is why the Circle got dragged south of Warren Street, and even then look at the distance between Euston Square and Baker Street, looks to me like the biggest distance between three stations on the whole map.
Rectangular Circle Line maps are a bit of a designer's graveyard. Beck's 60-degrees map was short lived, his final design had all sorts of problems, and after that he lost his job. When Tim Demuth tried to revive this style in the 1980s his design was so bad that he never got permission to release it.
Best map design experiments are those that surprise us, for example, taking a difficult concept and getting it to work well. Taking a bad design and showing that when some extra bits are added to it it looks really ghastly isn't so exciting!
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Post by Ben on May 12, 2008 16:24:58 GMT
Actually there was ample room for the H&C to be added; indeed I have only to tidy the map up before its complete (finish colouring in interchange circles!). I do take your point though Max. It was only a bit of fun Has the original creator of this thread had any more progress? |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2008 15:10:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2008 20:46:06 GMT
Just had a look at the 'fantasy underground' threas. Lots of ideas. Any suggestions?
How about a completely new line? That'd be a bit of fun.
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Post by ducatisti on May 14, 2008 21:02:26 GMT
Oooh yes! Map of the Ipswhich tube anyone? |
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