Line Diagrams

Weird. That Northern one looks way too complicated for yer average pax ;D

I quite like the idea of extending a line to Lewisham, that would be v. v. helpful.

What prog did you use to create them?

Excellent.

A couple of suggestions:
- The Metropolitan Line is missing Ascot Road and Watford West on the way to Watford Junction
- Highgate on the Northern Line might be better as a double blob interchange (like you've done at Moorgate). There would have been able to run from Crounch End to Finchley, but not from Camden Town to Alexandra Palace.

Exactly like that. However its worth noting that the original plan was for a camden-esque junction at highate; this was curtailed at an early stage due to the excessive gradients required.

Excellent work Suggs! Keep it up!

You have a pm

Ive had a go at re-doing the interchange at Highgate. Do you think this is right now. Am I right in thinking that there was (or was to-be) a high-level and low-level (Tube) station each at Highgate, with services to Cranley Park and beyond going in to the high-level, and what would have been services to East Finchley and beyond would have gone through the tube station.
Please correct me because I feel i've cocked this up completely , and am putting my other line diagrams on hold till I get this one right.

(also, i've just realised that you can view these full-size on the fotopic site, but as these are quite large and can be a struggle for those of us with a slow internet connection, the offer to e-mail them is still open. Sorry to those who may have thought they were getting something better by requesting e-mail versions. For those who may have been disappointed you have already been given the extra DLR 2025 map in consolation without me even realising. )

That's pretty good. The only thing I'd say is that the connection is/was north of Highgate, so if you the two blobs to represent the high-level and low-level stations, the connection should be on the left. But that's really just a nitpick.

(oh, and Old Street doesn't need a National Rail symbol)

Are you sure about Canada Water?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Water_Station#History

here it says that it was the only Fleet Line Extension Station to actually come to fruition, and i'm sure it's mentioned on CULG.

Are you saying that the ELL would cease to exist. I thought the Fleet Extension would run Wapping-New Cross, and the ELL Shoreditch/Whitechapel-New Cross Gate, that's why I put the 'Overground' Interchange in.

Nice work fella, the Northern just shows how complex it would have been if actually built as one whole line! I've noticed another (minor) error - No overground interchange indicated at Highbury on both Northern and Vic line maps and it doesn't need a National Rail symbol either.

And surely Mill Hill (The Hale) should be Mill Hill Broadway with NR interchange? I'm sure that was the intention.

Not sure about Canada Water, but I do know that North Greenwich was originally planned as part of the Fleet line. It was allocated Location Code F026, which was dropped in favour of a J code when the JLE opened.

Dont forget Watford High Street on the met map before Watford Junction! And its worth noting that if the extension to the juction goes ahead, the north curve between Ricky and Croxley will probably see far more traffic.

This will become a full time occupation, you realise

I am sorry to be picky. But wouldn't Cranley Gardens, Muswell Hill and Alexandra Palace be in Zone 3, not 4?

Theres now a Bakerloo diagram also on the fotopic, and the Northern and Victoria has been updated.

I think the Bakerloo would eliminate Overground at Watford Junction. And there's no Jubilee at Waterloo in your alternate reality.

The only reason Canada Water was built was due to the fact that they wanted the EJL (Extended Jubilee Line) to connect to all lines. Surrey Quays is too close to Canada Water to warrant a new station aspart of the build. Only reason we have it now is for the interchange factor.

Surrey Quays station was rebuilt on the idea that there would be an interchange there for the Jubilee line. The idea was that the northbound Jubilee platform into central London would be underneath the northbound ELL platform. Where as the southbound platform would be on the same level as the ELL platfom. This was so that people could change easily to the service. This picture (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mackenzieblu/1804648832/in/set-72157602816978561/) shows the bay platform for the terimating service from Shoreditch. The idea would be that most of the ELL services would be a Shoreditch to Surrey Quays shuttle service with the Jubilee taking a main line role. Although the New Cross branch fate changed a few times during the planning as it eaither lost its Tube link, was kept by the ELL or taken over by the Jubilee. If I remember right when Surrey Quays was rebuilt in the 80s the plan that was to terminate all ELL services at Surrey Quays in the bay platfom. The Jubilee would take over the New Cross Gate line. I can't remember for the life of me if the plan included a station at Rotherhithe on the Jubilee Line or whether it was to remain ELL only (The Jubilee being a deep level Tube so replicating the ELL wasn't good idea).

I did a Tube map wilth the Jubilee taking over the New Cross branch somewhere, I'll try and upload it over the weekend to my flickr to give you an idea of what was planned.

But keep up the hard work as your maps are ace ;D

Sorry, I perhaps need to clarify. Wasn't the plan for an interchange between Mill Hill (The Hale) and MHB, which are/were within spitting distance of each other and the the Northern Line station to be re-named to indicate this interchange with the LMS station (as was then)