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Post by ianvisits on Jul 10, 2008 8:15:18 GMT
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Post by glasgowdriver on Jul 10, 2008 13:19:07 GMT
about time as well those trains are falling apart and look a total mess i use this line quite alot from my house to wimbledon and the 5 minute journey is a nightmare
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Post by c5 on Jul 10, 2008 16:26:38 GMT
about time as well those trains are falling apart and look a total mess i use this line quite alot from my house to wimbledon and the 5 minute journey is a nightmare Think yourself lucky that you don't go along at 100mph on one! |
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Post by glasgowdriver on Jul 11, 2008 9:15:04 GMT
dont think they would reach 100mph would fall apart
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Post by metman on Jul 11, 2008 16:41:12 GMT
Went to Brighton on one last year-they weren't that bad!
Will the 319s be supplanted or replaced?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2008 17:57:00 GMT
I understand the 319s will be redeployed elsewhere - they're only 20 years old and the loading gauge and dual-voltage capability should permit use on pretty much any electrified line.
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Post by towerman on Jul 11, 2008 19:20:45 GMT
They could possibly be used to replace the ageing Cl313's on FCC.
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Post by metman on Jul 11, 2008 19:43:04 GMT
Maybe, but they may have to have the trailer removed? Can the tunnels take 8 cars?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2008 20:26:35 GMT
I don't believe they can take eight cars - don't have figures to hand, but I'm sure there's only a few metres spare at some of the tunnel stations at least. Removing a trailer should be fine from a technical point of view, and these could possibly be used to lengthen short Mk3 based EMUs, e.g. 320s or 456s.
Merseyrail was suggested as a home for 319s, but they may not fit the restricted profile of the loop tunnels.
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Post by maxtube on Jul 11, 2008 21:01:33 GMT
They could possibly be used to replace the ageing Cl313's on FCC. They dare replace the 313's, 315's, 317's or 365's and... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2008 9:18:48 GMT
313s are (I think) the oldest passenger stock on the network, bar a few Mk2 coaches and the 38 on the IoW... Grim Reaper is getting his shoes on :-)
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Post by metman on Jul 13, 2008 9:41:37 GMT
The problem is as you say the short tunnels. We could see 3 car 319s! The 317s aren't old enough to scrap are they?
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Post by Chris M on Jul 13, 2008 10:29:36 GMT
313s are (I think) the oldest passenger stock on the network, bar a few Mk2 coaches and the 38 on the IoW... Grim Reaper is getting his shoes on :-) In terms of multiple units currently in service, only the Class 121 and the IoW stock pre-date the 313s. According to Wikipedia the first HST power cars were manufactured a year earlier than the earliest 313s, so its possible some in service may be older. I've not looked at locomotives though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2008 20:13:22 GMT
There are a fair number of older locos still in service - mainly Modernisation Plan diesels and also some AC electrics. Interesting point about the Western Region HSTs though - I had it in my mind that they entered service in early 77, with the GN electrics starting Autumn 76. I could well be wrong though, maybe a trip to the boxes of Modern Railways in the loft is in order!
The first batch of 317s (with the hopper slots above the window) date from 1981, with the later batch (integrated opening windows) are from around 1986-7.
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Post by ducatisti on Jul 13, 2008 21:33:09 GMT
I should imagine any surviving class 08s knock most other things into a cocked hat when it comes to age (and in design terms, certainly...). 20s, 37s, 47s will also be older.
I wonder how old the surviving mark IIs on the Virgin runs are?
In terms of multiple units, the slam-doors on the Lymmington Branch are probably older, too.
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Post by johnb on Jul 15, 2008 13:35:03 GMT
The first 313s were delivered in 1976.
The first production HST power car delivered was 43002 in 1975, which is still in service with FGW, with proper WR HST services starting in early 1976.
The first production mk3s (HST) and mk3as (LHCS) were also delivered in 1975.
The Scotrail mk2s were delivered from 1971 onwards.
The Lymington class 421s were delivered in 1964.
The bubble-car 121s were delivered in 1960.
...and the classs 483s were delivered in 1938!
(the only loco class not mentioned above is the Class 73s, which were delivered in 1965-67)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 23:03:50 GMT
Thanks for the comprehensive list! It's amazing and sobering to see how quickly HST went from concept to prototype to fleet service. Wonder what the project timescale would have been with the current DfT procurement wonks in charge of it... suspect they would have asked for a steam boiler to be included 'just in case'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 11:41:36 GMT
They could possibly be used to replace the ageing Cl313's on FCC. Wouldn't they need a full emergency-exit facility installed on them to enable evacuation via the cab-front door on the stretch of line between Moorgate and Drayton Park? I don't think passengers can currently gain access to the cab on the 319s. |
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Post by johnb on Jul 17, 2008 21:05:04 GMT
Eh? Surely the reason the 319s have a cab front door, unlike the near-identical 321s, is to allow people to escape in the single-bore Thameslink tunnels...?
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Post by johnb on Jul 17, 2008 21:05:57 GMT
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Post by Tubeboy on Jul 17, 2008 21:55:51 GMT
Eh? Surely the reason the 319s have a cab front door, unlike the near-identical 321s, is to allow people to escape in the single-bore Thameslink tunnels...? You cant pass from one 319 to another via the cabs, there is no gangway. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2008 18:10:12 GMT
You cant pass from one 319 to another via the cabs, there is no gangway. Nor any means of the passengers gaining acces to the cab from inside the saloon. There is no emergency door-release on the door to the cab. |
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