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Post by nods on Jul 7, 2008 21:05:32 GMT
Just been watching the Channel 4 documentry about 7/7 .
As any piccadilly line drivers would know the first carriage(the one which was bombed)could not possibly have been carriage 346.It would have been carriage number 146.Maybe I am nit picking but for such a serious subject you would think the production company would have researched the subject a bit more thoroughly.
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Post by metman on Jul 7, 2008 22:17:20 GMT
A valid point, 346 was an UNDM!
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Post by Colin on Jul 8, 2008 0:36:53 GMT
I haven't seen the programe (though may have a look if it's on Virgin's replay service) - I did however see it in the TV listings in one of the free papers.........the description did make it quite clear that the programe was about the carraige next to the bombed one.
Now you've seen it and say it's actually about the bombed carraige - confused? I am!!
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Post by railtechnician on Jul 8, 2008 8:42:10 GMT
I haven't seen the programe (though may have a look if it's on Virgin's replay service) - I did however see it in the TV listings in one of the free papers.........the description did make it quite clear that the programe was about the carraige next to the bombed one. Now you've seen it and say it's actually about the bombed carraige - confused? I am!! I too watched the programme and was bamboozled by the title but it did occur to me that 346 could have been the train number! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2008 10:00:49 GMT
...the TV listings in one of the free papers.........the description did make it quite clear that the programe was about the carraige next to the bombed one. Now you've seen it and say it's actually about the bombed carraige - confused? I am!! Yes, it was indeed about the bombed carriage. Even if the programme had been about the carriage next to the bombed one, the carriage number would have been either 6xx or 5xx, not 346. I too watched the programme and was bamboozled by the title but it did occur to me that 346 could have been the train number! Incident train was T.331 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2008 10:33:50 GMT
The Channel 4 web page on the series (at www.channel4.com/health/microsites/0-9/7-7/index.html ) has the following For those who missed it last night, it is available (for 30 days) on the 4oD (Channel 4 on Demand), available from the Channel 4 website (if you have IE 6 or 7) The other film of the series is on Sunday (13th). |
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Post by Chris W on Jul 8, 2008 12:19:41 GMT
Not know the day-to-day operational numbers of Piccadilly Line trains, could 346 refer to the train number as opposed to the carriage number  I have to say that I watched this programme with Mel last night and was impressed by it and its humility. Okay a 72ts cab was used front on to represent the train (Aldwych branch I suspect) as opposed to a 73ts, but that's a trainspotter's niggle and not a criticism of the programme. The programme makers should be congratulated on their portrail of the events even if their could have been a few minor inaccuracies from a railway perspective  |
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Post by glasgowdriver on Jul 8, 2008 14:20:02 GMT
i watched it thought it was really really good cant wait for sundays program the clip at the end looked really good
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Post by jazza on Jul 8, 2008 21:49:33 GMT
I too watched the programme and it definitely gave the impression that 346 was the leading carriage and the carriage that was bombed. As clearly stated above carriage 346 could NOT be a leading carriage on a 73ts.
Some time back I requested under the freedom of information act the carriage numbers involved in the 7/7 bombings, the reply I got from LU gives the Picc train as being formed of
166-566-366-417-617-217.
Carriages 166 and I believe 566 were destroyed/scrapped and I believe carriage 366 is the one under tarpaulin at Northfields depot.
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Post by hobbayne on Jul 18, 2008 18:25:28 GMT
566 is in Northfields depot behind the red 3 car unit. It is being refurbished and has the car numbers removed for renumbering. I did actually see the connecting door to 166 torn and twisted and hanging at an angle when it was first brought in about 6 months ago.
You are correct about 366.
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Post by astock5000 on Aug 15, 2008 16:11:15 GMT
566 is in Northfields depot behind the red 3 car unit. It is being refurbished and has the car numbers removed for renumbering. But what would it run with? Unless they are going to build a new 73TS DM like they did with the C stock trailers. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2008 17:17:33 GMT
Just to add a little to this, "carriage 346" (absolutely nothing to do with the incident train - car number or set number) was in another train formation at the time of the incident. 146-546-346 was in train 323 and was some 35 minutes in front of the incident train, which would have put it somewhere in the Ruislip or Heathrow areas at 08.50 if it was on time (not sure which area as I don't have the WTT for that date immediately to hand).
Car 166 scrapped, other two cars (566 and 366) at Northfields.
I still cannot work out why the TV company used a car number in the title of the first programme. They didn't for the sequel "The Angels of Edgware Road" and indeed there was no need to.
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Post by slant40 on Aug 16, 2008 23:44:51 GMT
thank you for that info; I will update my records accordingly.
I had seen that unit at Hammersmith on 17.11.2001 during my trip, along with 381-581-181 in the consist.
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Post by hobbayne on Aug 18, 2008 19:39:21 GMT
566 is in Northfields depot behind the red 3 car unit. It is being refurbished and has the car numbers removed for renumbering. But what would it run with? Unless they are going to build a new 73TS DM like they did with the C stock trailers. I believe the rationale behind that idea is to cover up its dark secret  I imagine it would be incorporated into another or newly made up unit. There are some things which the driver (and his passengers) do not need to know. A few years ago, I was bringing a train out of Northfields depot when the shunter informed me that it would be coming out late, as it was involved in a one under the previous night, and the cleaners were still working on it! I felt uncomfortable knowing that! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2008 5:52:43 GMT
A few years ago, I was bringing a train out of Northfields depot when the shunter informed me that it would be coming out late, as it was involved in a one under the previous night, and the cleaners were still working on it! I felt uncomfortable knowing that! I know what you mean....the smell of bacon first thing in the morning gives me the munchies too  |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 19, 2008 11:09:05 GMT
A few years ago, I was bringing a train out of Northfields depot when the shunter informed me that it would be coming out late, as it was involved in a one under the previous night, and the cleaners were still working on it! I felt uncomfortable knowing that! I know what you mean....the smell of bacon first thing in the morning gives me the munchies too Charming . . .   |
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Post by jazza on Oct 28, 2008 20:00:27 GMT
Major thread bump!! sorry
Arrived at Terminal 5 last Thursday and strangely enough waiting for me in the platform was carriage 346, reminded me of this thread. I noticed when we went past Northfields Depot that the tarpaulin covered carriage (366) has been joined by another. Is this 566? has it now been repaired? has it been renumbered as mentioned above? and is it planned to bring these carriages back into service?
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Post by hotelinspector on Nov 1, 2008 16:26:40 GMT
Saw this published on Channel 4's website:
"It was reported that it was Carriage 346 at the time. However, there has been some dispute in some circles as to the actual number of the carriage when the bombing took place"
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I imagine it would be incorporated into another or newly made up unit. There are some things which the driver (and his passengers) do not need to know. 
