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Post by mrfs42 on Jul 5, 2008 18:59:28 GMT
Are there such things as DLR WTTs?
Or do they just run to frequencies like the Clockwork Orange?
<whisper>I travelled on the DLR for the very first time last Sunday and I'd like to find out a bit more </whisper>
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Post by District Dave on Jul 5, 2008 19:11:08 GMT
I have to say that I haven't the faintest idea!!!! My son and I went to the Excel venue for the London International Music Show a few weeks ago on a Sunday and I used the DLR for the first time since 1998 - and even then was transferred to a rail replacement bus service due to engineering works. (The bus driver also got lost - but that's another story). Irrelevant post really  |
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 5, 2008 19:14:32 GMT
I have no idea, but the DLR has station timetables, and the DLR has more services than the Clockwork Orange, so I would guess they have some sort of WTT, but they might not call it a WTT. DLR station timetables are on the TfL website.
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Post by mrfs42 on Jul 5, 2008 19:19:18 GMT
Yeah, I've looked at the TfL website; I was more thinking about timetables for PSA diagrams; though that may only take the form of duty cards - rather than a system-wide TT.
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 5, 2008 19:27:01 GMT
I once saw a PSA run to Poplar station from the depot area and on to a train, after they had seen it coming from Tower Gateway or Bank. I don't know how they knew it was their train though.
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Post by franknapo on Jul 5, 2008 21:51:10 GMT
Well I think I can explain. There is a list with duty numbers for example mon-fri there is about 115 dutys which have the start and finish times plus the run numbers worked which untill recently was
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1-19 Bank-Lewisham
20-29 Bank Canary Whalf
30-39 Beckton-Tower Gateway
40-49 Beckton Caning Town
50+60 Staratford to Crossharbour
51-59 + 61-69 Stratford/Canary Whalf/Crossharbour/Lewisham
70-89 Bank-King George V
90-93 King George V-Canning Town
94-99 Canning Town Prince Regent
But of course it has changed slightly but everbody knew what time they started and finished and that is the only sort off WTT. If you want I can give a further example of there layout of a duty sheet
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Post by mrfs42 on Jul 6, 2008 20:35:33 GMT
Yes, please. I would be very interested in seeing an example of aduty sheet.
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Post by superteacher on Jul 6, 2008 21:55:28 GMT
A slightly related point- I know that National Rail use working timetables (I have a few old examples), but I can never work out what they do with train numbers. As far as I can see, the train changes its number every trip, unlike the underground. Do buses have WTT's?
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Post by Colin on Jul 7, 2008 1:03:56 GMT
I know that National Rail use working timetables (I have a few old examples), but I can never work out what they do with train numbers. As far as I can see, the train changes its number every trip, unlike the underground. Network rail use the 'train reporting system' for it's signalling, which consists of one number, one letter then two numbers; ie 1L28 The first number is the class of train (I'm sure I've got a list somewhere  ) - 1 means something like Express. The letter is a regional destination - let's say 'L' means Liverpool. The last two digits are the trip number in the timetable (usually they go up in odds or evens depending on direction). So in our example, 1L28 could be the 14th express train of the day to Liverpool. Now this one's a bit of a minefield......... In the sense of how railways do it, no - but..... Some companies give drivers individual duty cards (which may show trip numbers for the electronic ticket machine, if required), other companies have duty cards that stay on the same bus all day (which again may show trip numbers for the electronic ticket machine, if required). Some bus companies just rely on the drivers making use of public timetables. Some bus companies use running numbers - some don't. Some bus companies have fixed rotas - other companies will make it up as they go along, with their drivers having no rota to work to. I've worked with 'em all - it's a funny old game is the buses ;D ;D ;D...... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2008 1:51:39 GMT
Just to add to National Rail reporting numbers a little - E (Eastern), M (Midland), S (Scottish), O (Southern), V (Western) are used as the letter when a train crosses from one old BR region to another. 1S83 for example is the 1715 Euston to Glasgow - Virgin conductors normally stamp tickets with the train reporting number.
As Colin says, 1 is express passenger train, 2 is normal passenger train, and it used to go so on up to 9, which used to be for a train of unbraked(!) freight wagons with max speed allowed of I think 30mph - you don't get those anymore! Now 9 is for international passenger train and also used for certain cross-country services where a delay could have a serious knock-on effect.
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Post by superteacher on Jul 7, 2008 16:47:56 GMT
Thanks for the info guys. But how one thing I find hard in the timetables (or at least the ones I have) is how to work out what trip the same train takes after reversing at a terminus - there is no "to form" section like there is in underground WTT's. And there seems to be no section which shows the start and finish times of each train (rolling stock working) and no depot working section.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2008 17:29:38 GMT
But how one thing I find hard in the timetables (or at least the ones I have) is how to work out what trip the same train takes after reversing at a terminus - there is no "to form" section like there is in underground WTT's. Different railway, different practices, hence different documents... I believe the information you're thinking of would be in stock or station working notices (whatever they're called these days). It's a case of my railway has a system I know, understand and love - whereas yours has one that's completely different, that I don't - and can't possibly understand how you can. And you think exactly the same. Whatever our two railways may be. |
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Post by superteacher on Jul 7, 2008 17:59:30 GMT
But how one thing I find hard in the timetables (or at least the ones I have) is how to work out what trip the same train takes after reversing at a terminus - there is no "to form" section like there is in underground WTT's. Different railway, different practices, hence different documents... I believe the information you're thinking of would be in stock or station working notices (whatever they're called these days). It's a case of my railway has a system I know, understand and love - whereas yours has one that's completely different, that I don't - and can't possibly understand how you can. And you think exactly the same. Whatever our two railways may be. Thanks - a very philosophical reply! ;D |
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) - 1 means something like Express. The letter is a regional destination - let's say 'L' means Liverpool. The last two digits are the trip number in the timetable (usually they go up in odds or evens depending on direction). 
