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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2008 8:04:49 GMT
Finsbury Park being open means it's rather common our end of the Picc - especially since a couple of the stations do not have staff on the gateline at all times. The number of times a day you hear, "Well I couldn't find the place to touch in at Finsbury" is ridiculous.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 6, 2008 11:00:22 GMT
I don't know about Finsbury Park, but at some DLR stations you do have to actively hunt out the reader (West India Quay comes to mind).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2008 11:11:10 GMT
At Finny P, there are at least 4 readers each side, along that sloping tunnel that links up onto Station Place!!! If you can't see them, you can HEAR them, because you'll most definately hear a very loud BEEP at some point you traverse the passageway!
Id agree with West India Quay, the readers are hidden on one side of the supporting pillars, along with the signage! so you sort of have to walk round the pillars to find them... They should have been put nearer the escalators!
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Post by Colin on Feb 6, 2008 14:03:58 GMT
As far as I know, the East London Line replacement buses are set to deduct the zone 2 LUL fare from the readers of buses. Perhaps this is an exception as it is a long-term measure? That is quite possible - being a semi permanent operation & using full time drivers would certainly be factors. I should have added this bit in my previous post to qualify why you wouldn't normally find the readers live on a rail replacement bus: another reason it wouldn't happen is because many rail replacement buses are operated by part time drivers who are not trained in how to use the ticket machine or the revenue structure. These drivers tend to appear at the weekend for a variety of reasons such as 'keeping a hand in', 'bit of pocket money', etc - it's a lot easier for bus companies to provide drivers if all they to do is drive the thing, otherwise the whole operation would have to rely on full time drivers doing overtime, basically.
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Post by suncloud on Feb 6, 2008 19:15:40 GMT
It's unlikely to be in the bus operator's interest to improve revenue protection on rail replacement services. I'd imagine they get paid a fixed fee for a given service.
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Post by dla365 on Feb 8, 2008 14:05:26 GMT
It's unlikely to be in the bus operator's interest to improve revenue protection on rail replacement services. I'd imagine they get paid a fixed fee for a given service. Yes they do get a fixed fee for providing a certain number of buses. The bus operator and driver usually do not check tickets, however I have had the pleasure of being called back to the front by an Arriva driver to show him my travelcard, so from that point on I show my travelcard anyway. However, I was thinking whether LU or TfL Revenue Protection check rail replacement services? Because I know for a fact NR operators like ONE certainly do!
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Post by Chris M on Feb 8, 2008 14:12:27 GMT
I got a Virgin Cross Country rail replacement from Birmingham to Gloucester a few months back, and one of the staff at Birmingham doing the marshalling of passengers onto the various buses was doing a cursory ticket check - mainly I think to ensure people were getting on the right bus.
I don't recall any ticket checks on a SWT replacement coach between Basingstoke and Guildford early one Saturday morning. I do remember that I got the last seat on the express coach - if I'd had to go on the stopping service I'd have missed my connections (the journey was Southampton Airport Parkway to York)
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Post by dla365 on Feb 9, 2008 11:07:12 GMT
When there were long-distance coaches replacing the railways (eg. when the East Coast Main Line was shut), were thorough ticket checks made? I can just imagine hundreds of passengers opting for the rail replacement coaches instead of National Express/ Megabus if that is the case.
On the other hand, is it really justifiable to pay £100+ for a standard open single if all you are getting is a National Express-style coach?
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 9, 2008 11:17:26 GMT
I don't know about Finsbury Park, but at some DLR stations you do have to actively hunt out the reader (West India Quay comes to mind). Waterloo W&C is another one, although last time I was there they'd erected a large sign saying "OYSTER READERS". A cynic might comment that they're difficultly placed so as to extract the maximum revenue from passengers through penalties!
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Post by Chris M on Feb 9, 2008 20:42:50 GMT
I got caught at Waterloo W&C the other day, I was interchanging to the Northern Line and so wasn't expecting to need to tap my Oyster anywhere. When I went through the barriers to the Northern Line I assumed they'd work like the ones at Stratford Jubilee and the Bank end of the W&C.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 9:36:18 GMT
Finsbury Park is being redeveloped and will get ticket gates added on in a year or so. So what is someone with Oyster PAYG supposed to do in case tickets are accepted on national rail services, such as the Great Northern line in case the northern part of the Piccadilly is shut?
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Post by dla365 on Feb 14, 2008 23:04:28 GMT
Finsbury Park is being redeveloped and will get ticket gates added on in a year or so. So what is someone with Oyster PAYG supposed to do in case tickets are accepted on national rail services, such as the Great Northern line in case the northern part of the Piccadilly is shut? I presume the ticket gates would be placed directly in front of the stairs leading down to the platforms? Otherwise, pedestrians are being deprived of a direct link between Finsbury Park Stroud Green Road and Seven Sisters Road. Don't even get me started on PAYG. Here is a question: There is a suspension due to planned (or emergency) engineering works. You're going from Tottenham Court Road to Edgware, but all trains are terminating at Colindale, with local buses accepting LUL tickets. If the PAYG user simply walks out of Colindale, they will be charged £4 for an incomplete journey in addition to the 90p for the bus to Edgware. If the PAYG user touches out at Colindale and onto a 204 bus, the user will be charged 90p for the bus. In both cases, paying more to be delayed
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Post by cetacean on Feb 14, 2008 23:23:52 GMT
So what is someone with Oyster PAYG supposed to do in case tickets are accepted on national rail services, such as the Great Northern line in case the northern part of the Piccadilly is shut? Oyster PAYG throughout the rail network is due in a year's time, long before Finsbury Park is gated.
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