Circles to Go

The trains that reverse at Edgware Road to go around the Inner rail put up Edgware Road, it's the trains that carry on around the Outer Rail that normally show Circle Line from Hammersmith.

^^^^^^that is how the Circle will look^^^^^^

(Cheers for posting prakash)

It's all now official and will come in from the middle of December this year - confirmation being by an internal bulletin issued throughout LU today.

Of course the H&C will be as it is now, though most of the service will run through to Barking (Whitechapel reverser's will be dropped owing to the planned reconstruction work for Crossrail).

Just for the record, I don't like the T-Cup (having pondered it from every angle over the last two years or so) and despite the time apparently devoted to it by senior management, confusion to both customers and staff will reign supreme. I accept that the current set up is not ideal, but it is at least working for the most part.

I don't profess to know the magic solution, but I think that in the long term the answer lies in spending some serious money sorting out the conflicting junctions. Brave words in the current "economic climate" I know, but if the T-Cup is seen as the long term answer....

Too late mate - the internal bulletin makes it clear that it has been approved by the "Executive Committee and TfL Board".

This will happen in December come what may, so it's time to get used to the idea!

There aren't enough C stock trains are there? If all H&C trains run through to Barking there might well not be enough trains. This whole plan is going to go Pete Tong as Edgware Road road becomes a snarled mess!

We'll just have to let it all go wrong and make LU high command look like a bunch of muppets!

"Hopefully it wont take a death or serious injury due to overcrowding at Edgware Road before failure is admitted" ... always look on the bright side eh? Straight from the Daily Mail that one!

LU do have crowd control measures at their stations in order to prevent 'death or serious injury'. It seems to work well on most nights from what I've seen, having witnessed neither in 7 years commuting around the capital !!!

I have sent the following by e-mail to TfL. Let's see what they say!

Sirs

I understand that the Board of Transport for London has now approved the re-configuration of this line to run Hammersmith-Edgware Road-Liverpool St-Victoria-Edgware Road.

I have the following questions:

(1) how many additional trains will be required to operate this service, and where will they be sourced from?

(2) how many additional movements will there be through Praed Street junction and why do you believe that there is adequate capacity there?

(3) do you intend to resolve the issues raised in (1) and (2) by reducing the Edgware Road-Wimbledon service, and if so by how much?

yours truly

Which manager was this? Because the Line General Manager of the C&H is one of the driving forces behind the changes.

As I have said in the "Revised SSR Timetable" thread, I have seen the timetable drafts, and whilst some aspects are not ideal, on paper it will work. Planning cannot always be wrapped around the negative side of things such as this or that going wrong.

As for all this dangerous overcrowding ( ) very soon into it, passenger habits will evolve. Why walk all the way to Paddington Suburban station, climb the stairs, cross the bridge and descend the stairs? When all they need to do is go to Paddington Circle station, board the first train and at absolute worst, at Edgware Road, climb the stairs (like at Paddington Sub) cross the bridge (like at Paddington Sub) then descend the stairs (like at Paddington Sub) and all without the lengthy walk at Paddington and the narrow island platform.

Without any incidents, failures, train operator relief issues, this timetable will work and will improve things without any infrastructure changes. This timetable may provide "challenges" when it comes to putting the service back to right-time after an incident, but leave me and my colleagues to worry about that, as we'll be doing it ;D

I like the idea but I hate to say I think this is a step backwards. It's too complicated.

So in the space of a year and a half we've lost both concepts that the circle line pub crawl stood for. Bad times!

Maybe a bottle of champers on the final whirle? Surely the appointed TOp would forgive us that

I think the most confusing thing will be Paddington. Having a station listed twice on the same line will baffle most.

As to if the junctions will hold up, I guess only time will tell. Otherwise, I'm not sure if I'm for or against. I tend to use the Southern section of the Circle between Tower Hill and Embankment so for me, it shouldn't make too much difference.

I think largely and much like any line, it will depend upon the number of trains and their frequency that will dictate quality of service as far as he majority of LU users are concerned. The teething issues of a new system are always tiresome but if the overall service improves then Tfl will have done a good thing. If not, then it's back to the drawing board.....

There are still lots of open questions about the TFL proposals. I'm curious to see the fine detail.

I know! Well, having sat down and worked my way through TTNs 3/01 and 4/01, on paper it seemed quite a robust TT.

Depending on who you speak to, the names will either remain as now, or the Circle will become the "Extended Circle" or, more likely, the lines will become "one" and named the "Hammersmith & Circle Line."

Personally I think if it were to have the name still in debate, it should be called the "Circle and Hammersmith Line" as it was once known as. Certainly I am not for the name 'circle line' as to me it is not going to be a circle anymore!

I'd keep it as the Circle Line. The name is an institution worldwide and I see no reason to change it. Why confuse the issue by having a Hammersmith & City Line and a Circle & Hammersmith Line!