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Post by dannyofelmpark on Jun 23, 2008 23:29:20 GMT
yes it is folks, as well as sundays 1938 stock tours, on Saturday it is also the open day at Bow Church depot.
Alright I know it is buses and not underground, but its still transport and when was the last time that we had 2 events in the same weekend?
Also who thinks that we need to campaign for more specials on the tube and buses? I think that with alll those people who have thier own routemaster or r.t that they could use them to have extra heratage routes. I cant remember the last time that we had a classic bus in service through Elm Park or Romford.
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Post by Colin on Jun 24, 2008 2:18:10 GMT
I think that with alll those people who have thier own routemaster or r.t that they could use them to have extra heratage routes. I cant remember the last time that we had a classic bus in service through Elm Park or Romford. It's not necessarily that simple - a privately owned bus has to pass the correct class of MOT and be correctly licensed (tax disc) to carry fare paying passengers. On top of that, the driver has to have a PCV licence and the vehicle must display a public service vehicle operators licence disc, and don't forget the vehicle must be insured to carry fare paying passengers. Most privately owned preserved buses are only MOT'd, taxed & insured as private HGV's - and if it weighs less than 7 and half tonnes, can be driven on a car licence..........so for such vehicles to be able to carry passengers.......I'm sure you get where I'm going with my point... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2008 7:45:10 GMT
Wasn't there a clause regarding fare paying passengers? Such routes that charge must also be registered with the relevant traffic commissioners.
I always thought that as long as there was no fare involved a bus with the lesser MOT could carry passengers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2008 8:45:58 GMT
As a one-time owner of a preserved bus, I'd just like to clarify the legal position: - A class 5 MoT is normal for a preserved bus which is not used commercially. Any bus/ coach used for hire and reward needs a class 6 MoT
- You can carry a full load of non fare paying passengers as long as you have a valid PCV licence. You also need insurance which covers you for carrying passengers
- No money is allowed to be collected, in the form of donations or fees. Even the rattling of a tin for 'donations' is illegal.
- The only way that a bus can operate within the law and collect money is on an Operators licence, with correct insurance, class 6 MoT, regular inspections and so on.
- A free heritage bus service must be that; no money must change hands AT ALL.
- Drivers can drive an old bus on a car licence, as long as it is more than 30 years old. They are allowed to carry no more than 8 non fare paying passengers.
Most buses get around 10mpg, so with Diesel at 132.9p/ litre at the moment, not many enthusiasts can afford to run their buses for free. |
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Post by Tomcakes on Jun 24, 2008 20:39:34 GMT
As I understand it, once they have passed all the hurdles with licensing etc to run on a regular service, one must be registered with the traffic commissioner, and hence be available to any member of the public. Of course if it were owned & licensed by an established operator it could be used by them. However, adding extra trips for heritage runs would require changing the registration of the timetable with the TC, *unless* it is a "regular service" - eg more often than every 10 minutes - in which case extra blocks can be added.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2008 22:04:47 GMT
Quite correct, Tom.
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Post by suncloud on Jun 24, 2008 22:52:56 GMT
I have in the past seen both Imperial Bus Company and Blue Triangle running buses from their respective heritage fleets on local bus routes near my parents... For no specific reason it would seem...
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Post by Colin on Jun 25, 2008 0:18:56 GMT
That's because both companies love to run old buses - honestly, they just have a pure passion for nostalgia etc!!
I think it's nice to see such effort put in by these two companies.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2008 6:34:03 GMT
What about Ensign Bus? Ross and Steve Newman have put in enormous efforts (and amounts of their money) into restoring old buses.
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Post by dannyofelmpark on Jun 25, 2008 22:07:46 GMT
You know that Blue Triangle have lost the contract for the 248 which goes to East London in september - so will we get an R.T or R.M for the respective first and last days?
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Post by rayb on Jun 27, 2008 19:43:30 GMT
Also who thinks that we need to campaign for more specials on the tube and buses? I think that with alll those people who have thier own routemaster or r.t that they could use them to have extra heratage routes. I cant remember the last time that we had a classic bus in service through Elm Park or Romford. The gold coloured RT operated on the 248 in 2002 for a weekend - Blue Triangle got hold of it and also ran several other rareities on the same route. |
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