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Post by undergroundernie on Jun 12, 2008 14:08:28 GMT
Can anyone explain why the southbound platforms at Euston and Angel are soo wide yet the northbounds are standard width?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2008 14:17:34 GMT
Can anyone explain why the southbound platforms at Euston and Angel are soo wide yet the northbounds are standard width? yeah ive always wonder that
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Post by mrfs42 on Jun 12, 2008 14:41:46 GMT
The answer is quite straightforward - the wide platforms are the former station tunnels converted into one wide platform. Before the conversion work both Angel and Euston were the same as the Claphams with an island platform.
The work at Euston (exclusive of the Euston 'loop') was commissioned on 15th October 1967, in this case the Northbound was diverted to allow same level (passenger, rather than stock) interchange with the Victoria Line Stage II and the Charing Cross branch of the Northern. This interchange is why the Victoria has right hand running through Euston.
Angel was reconstructed in a similar manner - new NB platform and widened SB platform over the tracks of the old station tunnel with a narrow island platform as at Euston. The reasoning here was due to passenger safety; the travelling numbers at Angel were becoming too much for the narrow platform. Angel had the same platform since opening in 1901, albeit lengthened in 1924 as part of the general tarting-up of the CSLR. By the early 90's the station just couldn't cope safely with the volume of passengers - after all would the builders in 1901 have a crystal ball to predict the immense growth in passengers?
Angel shut in August 1992, although I think the boring work for the new NB had been going on for at least a couple of years beforehand. The stagework was advanced enough for the new NB to be connected into the main line over one weekend, allowing the main line to continue running trans, although the new revamped (both upstairs and downstairs) Angel didn't reopen to passengers until October 1993.
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Post by johnb2 on Jun 12, 2008 14:43:52 GMT
Originally both tracks ran though the *one* station tunnel with a rather narrow island platform between them. Quite nerve racking when there was a big crowd about. Euston got modified when the Vic line was built, think the Angel mods were sometime later, no doubt someone here will know when and why.
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Post by mrfs42 on Jun 12, 2008 15:09:49 GMT
Originally both tracks ran though the *one* station tunnel with a rather narrow island platform between them. Quite nerve racking when there was a big crowd about. If you want to repeat the experience, admittedly on a slightly smaller scale try using Kelvinbridge or Cowcaddens on the Glasgow Subway!
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Post by max on Jun 12, 2008 16:25:11 GMT
Why go all the way to Scotland, when Clapham still has the true C&SL experience?
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Post by mrfs42 on Jun 12, 2008 16:57:15 GMT
Why go all the way to Scotland, when Clapham still has the true C&SL experience? I've never known either of the Claphams get as busy in terms of passengers per square yard as Cowcaddens.
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 12, 2008 18:02:48 GMT
Why go all the way to Scotland, when Clapham still has the true C&SL experience? They do at the moment, but maybe LU will think they aren't safe, put barriers or Platform Edge Doors (PEDs) at the Clapham stations and ruin them (as building a new platform will cost too much), or decide to rebuild them so disabled passengers can use them easily.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2008 11:00:28 GMT
Clapham Common gets pretty busy after the summer music festivals!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2008 21:27:42 GMT
According to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_tube_station it was rebuilt in 1992, for safety reasons. I remember at the time a BBC programme (I think it was In Touch on Radio 4) talking about the problems for blind and partially sighted people created by a narrow island platform. edit: spurious comma removed from link by mrfs42
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Post by angelislington on Jun 14, 2008 8:47:42 GMT
'Rebuilt for safety reasons' - I should say so - when I worked at LT Property they told me that the overcrowding was so bad at peak that at least one person per week would get accidentally pushed off onto the track Although I do have fond memories of the old stations I am pretty shocked at the before-and-after pics in the links provided by DavidH. I really don't remember them being that grotty. Having said that, the house we lived in in Colliers Wood had a very mouldy bathroom and all the old (30s!) tiles were falling off and the paint was going all bubbly and crusty and we did actually call it 'the Northern Line Experience loo'! I do get pretty itchy when I have to alight at Clapham Common or North. There's something about the narrowness of the platform that only really becomes apparent when the train leaves. I get a sort of slight vertigo sensation. The real problem is when people want to exit and they walk in a big clump up the stairs, which, if you're coming down onto the platform, can cause some real moments close to the edges of the platform. I'm glad Angel was redone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2008 12:52:11 GMT
Just for you, AngelIs.... It's from the top of the stairs at Angel, it shows both the grot and the narrow platform. Don't forget that Euston was like that as well before 1967!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2008 13:11:00 GMT
Just for you, AngelIs.... It's from the top of the stairs at Angel, it shows both the grot and the narrow platform. Don't forget that Euston was like that as well before 1967! wow, just look where that man/woman (cant really tell) is standing, not that it makes differents these day because people seem to thing walking on the white line will get them on train faster angelislington, what you said about "at least one person per week would get accidentally pushed off onto the track" that just really worrying stuff.
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Post by undergroundernie on Jun 14, 2008 13:19:10 GMT
I dread to think what it was like when two trains passed at once im guessing the turbulance produced both trains was a pretty scarry experience!!! I dont suppose anyone can offer me one of their archive images for my website? the usual agreement applies for featured images.
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Post by angelislington on Jun 14, 2008 13:45:50 GMT
Just for you, AngelIs.... It's from the top of the stairs at Angel, it shows both the grot and the narrow platform. Don't forget that Euston was like that as well before 1967! Ooo, thanks! I'm sure you've posted that pic before for me - or a similar one - I forgot all about my sign-in name when I contributed to this thread, duh! I can't imagine what Euston would have been like. It's just so permanently a wide platform for me, now, having never seen it beforehand like I did with Angel. I dread to think what it was like when two trains passed at once im guessing the turbulance produced both trains was a pretty scarry experience!!! In practice, and this is only from what I remember, it wasn't too bad - it's actually fairly unusual for a start that two trains would be coming in at exactly the same time, and of course they're not going that fast by then anyway. I preferred it as it gave a proper 'side' to the platform - I didn't feel like I was going to fall off! It was just worse when the train actually left, especially if you were walking along the side next to the train. Suddenly there'd be this big gap of track next to you <shudder>. Sometimes I'd actually sit and wait till the platform had cleared a bit before walking away. But then here I'm talking about the Claphams, and I'd probably been given the creeps by the stories of pax falling off at Angel! I'm not usually such a wuss, I'm sure!
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Post by Chris M on Jun 14, 2008 14:14:07 GMT
wow, just look where that man/woman (cant really tell) is standing, not that it makes differents these day because people seem to thing walking on the white line will get them on train faster Actually at a lot of the time, walking along the white line is the only way to get on a train - the platform is so full that this the only way to move further along the platform to an area where you stand a chance of getting on the train. Tottenham Court Road and Liverpool Street (Central Line) spring to mind as examples.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2008 2:20:38 GMT
Was Old Street similar to the other stations, and if so when did the change come about and did LU have to rebuild the tunnels there?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2008 4:34:27 GMT
No, Old Street has always had seperate platforms. The only C&SLRy stations with island platforms were: Euston, Angel, King William Street*, Stockwell, Clapham North and Clapham Common.
Of those, only the Claphams survive in their original form (although they have been lengthened).
* - King William Street was re-built in 1895 to island platform in an attempt to increase capacity.
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Post by edwin on Jun 17, 2008 13:54:53 GMT
Stockwell was re-sited, wasn't it? I think that's why there is a gap between the tunnels north of the station on the Northern line.
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Post by londonstuff on Jun 17, 2008 14:53:48 GMT
I'm always nervous when I walk along the island platforms at the Clapham stations...one accidental push and you're done for. If it's not rush hour, I've waited by the bottom of the steps before now, and I'm not the only one! haha!
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Post by mrfs42 on Jun 17, 2008 17:34:25 GMT
Stockwell was re-sited, wasn't it? I think that's why there is a gap between the tunnels north of the station on the Northern line. Yes, the platforms are a bit further south than the original CSLR station, not by much 75 - 100 yards or so.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2008 22:24:20 GMT
Stockwell was re-sited, wasn't it? I think that's why there is a gap between the tunnels north of the station on the Northern line. There is also a crossover in that gap.
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Post by mrfs42 on Jun 17, 2008 23:31:20 GMT
Stockwell was re-sited, wasn't it? I think that's why there is a gap between the tunnels north of the station on the Northern line. There is also a crossover in that gap. Indeed, there was a scissors there much, much before - a few feet further north - but needed extra little bits of conductor rail to be swung in (due to the sharpness of the crossing angle), levers 18 and 21 (if I remember correctly) - can't think off the top of my head any other signalbox levers at all that directly actuated live current rail. (there may have been others on the Liverpool Overhead that started off dead, but became connected to teh juice as the lever pulled across)
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Post by abe on Jun 27, 2008 9:47:44 GMT
Worth noting that Angel had a higher number of blind and visually impaired people using the station, which was a driver for the rebuilding. I recall that they trialled some technology called 'BlindMinder' at the station, and I *think* that it was one of the first places to use the tactile strip on the platform edge.
At Stockwell some of the original white tiling remains in the old platform (now crossover) tunnel.
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Post by DrOne on Jun 27, 2008 10:45:43 GMT
Hi snapper, I really enjoyed looking at your photos, thank you.
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Post by stuartpalmer on Jun 27, 2008 17:39:41 GMT
One wonders how long it will be before some authority or other decides that only one train at a time can be allowed to use the Clapham platforms!
How far apart are they - the Clapham stations? Would it be feasible to use, say, C.Central for northbound trains only and C.North for southbound only?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2008 19:00:47 GMT
One wonders how long it will be before some authority or other decides that only one train at a time can be allowed to use the Clapham platforms! I would say it would almost be safer to have two trains there at once- at least no-one can fall onto the track.
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Post by edwin on Jun 27, 2008 22:41:54 GMT
Worth noting that Angel had a higher number of blind and visually impaired people using the station, which was a driver for the rebuilding. I recall that they trialled some technology called 'BlindMinder' at the station, and I *think* that it was one of the first places to use the tactile strip on the platform edge. At Stockwell some of the original white tiling remains in the old platform (now crossover) tunnel. Seems a bit odd that they didn't bother with step-free access when it was rebuilt?
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