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Post by Alight on Jun 5, 2008 9:05:12 GMT
Hey all, Many of us on here are pedantic as we like to shorten the London Underground to "LU" but never "the tube" as we all know that it would be incorrect to do so as it would not include "the subsurface" LUL are pretty good with this; the only two rule breakers are "tube station" and "tube map" which are in standard use but doesn't bother anyone too much tbh. It occured to me the other day when I saw the alcohol ban advert that someone could drink alcohol on the Metropolitan line with a justified reason as it states "Tube, DLR, LO and trams" but not subsurface  . Obviously people who don't know the different (usually until pointed out) would just assume the whole network is called the tube which is fair enough but there we go, a nice justified reason! |
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Post by angelislington on Jun 5, 2008 10:09:43 GMT
And the District, Ham&City, Circle and what was the ELL, natch!
Don't think it would cut any mustard in a court of law... esp as if we know the difference between subsurface and deep-level we can't really argue that we didn't think 'tube' referred to 'subsurface' too! Shame. Not that I ever remember haivng a guzzle on the choob anyway.
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Post by miztert on Jun 5, 2008 10:53:41 GMT
Hey all, Many of us on here are pedantic as we like to shorten the London Underground to "LU" but never "the tube" as we all know that it would be incorrect to do so as it would not include "the subsurface" LUL are pretty good with this; the only two rule breakers are "tube station" and "tube map" which are in standard use but doesn't bother anyone too much tbh. It occured to me the other day when I saw the alcohol ban advert that someone could drink alcohol on the Metropolitan line with a justified reason as it states "Tube, DLR, LO and trams" but not subsurface . Obviously people who don't know the different (usually until pointed out) would just assume the whole network is called the tube which is fair enough but there we go, a nice justified reason! Actually LU / TfL does use the term 'Tube' to refer to the whole Underground network in all sorts of contexts - for example see the Tube pages on their website... www.tfl.gov.uk/modalpages/2625.aspx...or the Tube live travel news webpages... www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/realtime/tube/default.htmlIt's just being used as a shorthand to refer to the whole network, the crucial thing here however is that it is capitalised and has a definitive article (i.e. "the") in front of it - i.e. the Tube not the tube or just tube - yes a little capital T can make all the difference! Note that TfL does actually own the trade mark "The Tube" - it has been a registered trade mark since 1995. If you want you can look it up on the IPO website here... www.ipo.gov.uk/tm/t-find/t-find-number.htm...just enter the trade mark number 1527320. Personally I do often use the phrase "the Tube" (though always with a capital T!) when referring to the whole network, though I wouldn't if I was just writing about the sub-surface lines. When on the keyboard it's a lot shorter than typing out "Underground", though of course typing "LU" is even easier! Anyway thanks for giving me a tailor-made excuse to sip from my cans of that beer of the gods Special Brew whilst on the Met and District lines  |
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Post by max on Jun 5, 2008 11:23:39 GMT
Just out of interest, how exactly does the ban apply?
For example, if I were to travel from Harrow to Amersham, could I drink on a Chiltern train but not Met? How about the part of Clapham Junction on LO on which Southern trains also run?
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Post by 21146 on Jun 5, 2008 11:25:01 GMT
TFL are also saying on their posters that "alcohol is banned on public transport" from 1 June which clearly isn't correct.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2008 15:03:37 GMT
I tell people that i work on the tube even though all my signal cabins and tracks are in the open!
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Post by Alight on Jun 5, 2008 16:56:55 GMT
I tell people that i work on the tube even though all my signal cabins and tracks are in the open! Well I mean I differ there again; if it was out in the open at Cockfosters for example, I would still call it the tube as the Piccadilly Line is a tube line. I am one to really accentuate the difference between the subsurface and tube so I must apologise!! In addition, regarding some of the feedback above, I have to say for one thing don't get it in the head that I am someone who would choose to drink on the LU because I simply do not drink altogether; so it's like I plan on breaking the rules on a subsurface!!  And what's more, I had forgotten I must admit above the tfl website having its own 'tube' section - I think it is to try and be more colloquial and less formal therefore. Aa I dont know whats happened to the old generation of stern mind the gaps and received pronunciation! |
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Post by miztert on Jun 5, 2008 17:20:49 GMT
I tell people that i work on the tube even though all my signal cabins and tracks are in the open! I don't know whether you work on a tube line or not but you certainly don't work underground! Indeed 55% of the Underground isn't underground. I wonder what proportion of Underground passengers never go underground... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2008 0:11:29 GMT
i work on the metropolitan so its a sub-surface part of the company although i handle Piccadilly and engineers trains which do indeed go underground down the tubes! However the reason i call it the tube is its just a colloquial thing
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Post by suncloud on Jun 6, 2008 10:07:45 GMT
IIRC Before the days of TfL... LU used the web address: thetube.com ... it still redirects to Underground pages on the TfL website
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Post by pakenhamtrain on Jun 6, 2008 10:34:50 GMT
Speaking from an International perspective. I would think "The Tube" a name more known than underground or tube/sub surface.
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Post by Alight on Jun 6, 2008 19:22:09 GMT
Speaking from an International perspective. I would think "The Tube" a name more known than underground or tube/sub surface. Well stating the obvious yes, but as a technically colloquial term - nothing wrong with that though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2008 5:58:37 GMT
To quote from a book:
The term tube, is a convenient brevity, which has been much misused over the years, even in official publications... Those responsible should have known better.
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. Obviously people who don't know the different (usually until pointed out) would just assume the whole network is called the tube which is fair enough but there we go, a nice justified reason!
