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Post by Alight on Apr 24, 2008 12:12:10 GMT
Hi all, It has been brought to my attention in various conversation with others who work at Canary Wharf about how delays on both DLR and Jubilee Line can cause chaos. Only two lines serve this growing (more buildings going up by the month) population of business workers. An example was a few weeks ago; the DLR was suspended and the Jubilee Line had severe delays. The frequency in general for the Jubilee Line is good but the platform soon fills up in a matter of 30 seconds. It is extremely busy. Yes indeed Crossrail is promised for under a decade  and there are 'local bus routes' and river boat services I presume but many would rather just hop on the LU/DLR services. What do you think could be done for an extra LU/DLR alternative at Canary Wharf? |
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Post by Chris M on Apr 24, 2008 13:18:11 GMT
Well the extra DLR trains/cars will help when that is working but the Jubilee isn't.
Likewise ATO on the Jubilee should help in the opposite situation.
Beyond that and actually getting on the actually building crossrail (rather than just talking about it), I don't know that there is much else that could be done.
Perhaps a London City Airport - Mudchute - Surrey Quays - Borough - Waterloo - central London DLR or tube line would help, but I seriously doubt you'd get it planned, accepted, built and operational before Crossrail.
Upgrading the buses to trams would increase capacity and desirability, but given the length of time the existing proposed tram routes are taking to come to fruition (if they ever do) they wouldn't happen before Crossrail.
I also seriously doubt any request for funds would be met with much enthusiasm given that Crossrail is designed to add the increase in capacity needed and so the attitude will be that it isn't needed.
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Post by ianvisits on Apr 27, 2008 18:40:00 GMT
There are few areas of London with more than two rail options for commuting though, so Canary Wharf is not that unusual.
Don't forget that it is not that bad a walk to Limehouse to reach the mainline service (unless you call 20 odd minutes walking too hideous to contemplate). I have on occasionals wandered down to Greenwich as well.
There is even the river taxi service.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2008 18:51:05 GMT
I live very close by, and have noticed the burgeoning growth over the last 5 years. More and more apartments springing up all over the place - even the original Island Gardens Station site [the elevated one] was flogged off for a ridiculous price and now has a block of 11 flats on it!
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Post by superteacher on Apr 27, 2008 21:41:24 GMT
There are few areas of London with more than two rail options for commuting though, so Canary Wharf is not that unusual. Don't forget that it is not that bad a walk to Limehouse to reach the mainline service (unless you call 20 odd minutes walking too hideous to contemplate). I have on occasionals wandered down to Greenwich as well. There is even the river taxi service. The problem is that unlike Central London, it is hard to get out of when there are delays on the Jubilee / DLR. Compare the options available at Bank to Canary Wharf - no comparison! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2008 21:25:04 GMT
Perhaps a London City Airport - Mudchute - Surrey Quays - Borough - Waterloo - central London DLR or tube line would help, but I seriously doubt you'd get it planned, accepted, built and operational before Crossrail. Would that line be called the "White Elephant Line"?How exactly would that idea solve congestion at Canary Wharf? Having a new line that actually passes close to Canary Wharf would help! (As I've mentioned a zillion times, Chelney is the most needed line in London at the moment). It's not exactly often that both the Jubilee and DLR are down. Any reasoning for building new lines should be to increase passenger carrying capacity, not as a alternative for when other lines aren't working! ATO on the Jubilee should hopefully increase it's capacity by over 20%, and the 3-car project on the DLR will increase it's capacity by 50%. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2008 21:59:02 GMT
Perhaps a London City Airport - Mudchute - Surrey Quays - Borough - Waterloo - central London DLR or tube line would help, but I seriously doubt you'd get it planned, accepted, built and operational before Crossrail. Would that line be called the "White Elephant Line"? Well, the obvious comment is that it serves neither Elephant & Castle nor anywhere with White in its name - but actually, whereas I can see it's an interesting additional route, it doesn't really do much for potential passenger capacity. It is therefore a traditional White Elephant. From what I've seen of the ideas for a Chelney line, I have to agree. Often enough to be a pain though! Problems with just one of them in the wrong place can be hell - problems with both leave currently only the District Line for those near enough. I was on a DLR service that snap terminated at Shadwell. Minimum effort onward journey was bus ELW to Whitechapel then the H&C to KX to pick up the Northern Line. There have been a number of occasions on which I have been half way up the stairs (making for the escalator route) at Bank only to hear DLR suspended B/TG to Poplar or something like that, and on at least one of them, the Northern Line also had delays. The crowds when I got to London Bridge were a complete nightmare - an actual queue for trains - I think I missed three! Yes, more capacity will help. Crossrail can't come soon enough. Chelney, if it ever comes, might help some areas. Once three or four lines come close enough, we might find things OK. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2008 8:15:54 GMT
Anyone who thinks the present arrangement is even remotely adequate obviously didn't see what happened this morning. I had to wait out 6 trains at London Bridge because of the suspension of the DLR. Now, OK - these things happen, but the chaos caused was absolute!
I have thought of only one thing that would possibly help, and the implementation would be a nightmare - extend the Waterloo & City line to Canary Wharf without intermediate stops. Alternatively, a Lady & Dog line to fulfil the same purpose, but once again, how could it be done?
A 20% increase in capacity on the Jubilee line would have been only a minor help this morning. A 50% increase on the DLR would not have helped as it wasn't running.
When I did reach Canning Town, tired and in quite a bit of pain, it took ages for a DLR train going west to materialise. DLR had resumed before I actually got out of London Bridge.
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Post by ianvisits on May 19, 2008 19:00:18 GMT
Anyone who thinks the present arrangement is even remotely adequate obviously didn't see what happened this morning. I had to wait out 6 trains at London Bridge because of the suspension of the DLR. Now, OK - these things happen, but the chaos caused was absolute! To be fair though - that could have happened on any part of the network and caused a similar level of problems. What do you suggest - double up the entire tube network, just in case? Personally, I would have probably just taken an overland to Greenwich and grabbed a DLR upto Canary Wharf from there. Alternatives do exist. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2008 8:09:44 GMT
To be fair though - that could have happened on any part of the network and caused a similar level of problems. What do you suggest - double up the entire tube network, just in case? Double up the computer system on the DLR perhaps - but I am not even sure that would have helped. It's always the same at London Bridge when I try going that way in a failure - getting worse if yesterday is anything to go by. Although my workplace is not a bad walk from Canary Wharf, with no DLR known to be running at all at first, there was a distinct possibility that that wouldn't have helped. If there is any possibility of not being able to reach any of the three stations around where I work, the next best route is to go to Canning Town and get a bus. The main point is, much of what used to happen in the City now happens at Canary Wharf, meaning demand well outstrips supply as soon as one route goes down at present. |
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Post by Alight on May 20, 2008 17:36:57 GMT
I dont know much about the Chelney line. The crossrail is something I am very averse to; not only the amount of money, but the way it will ruin the tube map !  No on a serious note, I'd rather the current lines were improved, with perhaps a new tube line, rather than this 'berkshire-essex' conumdrum. |
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Post by 21146 on May 20, 2008 20:55:48 GMT
I thought years ago that when the 15 lost the East Ham terminus it would have made more sense to divert it to Canary Wharf rather then the isolated backwater of Blackwall station. Guess it would have been more than Ken or Peter H could stand, the idea of Routemasters serving the high-tec Canary Wharf estate but there's no reason for it not to happen now. Whilst obviously the 15 is never going to cope with a DLR/Jubilee shut down it's ridiculous that the area has no direct bus link to central London or even just the City.
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Post by DrOne on May 20, 2008 22:49:56 GMT
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and there are 'local bus routes' and river boat services I presume but many would rather just hop on the LU/DLR services.
