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Post by singaporesam on Sept 23, 2008 13:55:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2008 17:32:40 GMT
my understanding of the weak field switch not being used in tunnels was the fact the motors can arc more thus having a greater fire risk so to speak but who knows i could be wrong???
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Post by tubeprune on Sept 26, 2008 7:23:59 GMT
my understanding of the weak field switch not being used in tunnels was the fact the motors can arc more thus having a greater fire risk so to speak but who knows i could be wrong??? I always assumed it was because the train speeds would be too high for the overlaps.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2008 10:17:35 GMT
my understanding of the weak field switch not being used in tunnels was the fact the motors can arc more thus having a greater fire risk so to speak but who knows i could be wrong??? I don't think that LT ever expected train motors to arc and start a fire. Anyway, it is quite difficult to set fire to a cast-iron tunnel, whereas tracks in the open are surrounded with flammable trees, shrubs, fences, etc. The explanation in books such as 1938 Tube Stock is that speed limits were lower in tunnels.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2008 7:33:43 GMT
What was the maximum speed the 1938TS could reach with the weak field flag raised. I understand they used to use this on the Bakerloo out to Watford.
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 14, 2008 18:20:06 GMT
On a flat level track and all motors working it was a little over 50 but this was difficult to substantiate since the speedos were very unreliable and inaccurate. I base my estimate from driving 59s with speedos and comparing 38s - but only those which had full parallel on all motors since most on the Picc did not. We had to wait until we got the odd ex-Northern Line train.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2008 7:06:18 GMT
Thank's Tubeprune. I dont know why but your answers always seem to pose more questions for me. It sounds like the weak field didn't gain you much then because i thought the 38 could do 45mph without the flag raised. Why did some of the motors on the Picc units not have full parallel? Darren.
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Post by ribaric on Oct 15, 2008 9:49:26 GMT
I agree with Tubeprune. I spent a miserable year driving on the Northern when there were 38s, 59s and both variants of 72s - the stock training was interesting to say the least. I can't recall from where I get the idea but I do understand that use of weak-field flags was prohibited (everywhere on the Northern) due to full speed signal overlaps being calculated on the full speed without the weak field flag being used. Not that it stopped us trying them out so, again, I reckon Tubeprune has it about right regarding speed.
59s not in "full" parallel? I'm also intrigued.
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 15, 2008 13:44:08 GMT
59s not in "full" parallel? I'm also intrigued. It was the Picc '38s I was referring to. The UNDM cars (31xxx numbers) were wired to run in series only because they were too fast for running amongst Standard Stock. When the Standards were replaced with '59 Stock, the 38s UNDMs were left alone and stayed the same. Occasionally we got an ex-Northern or ex-Bakerloo train with all motors in parallel. Then we could see what they could do. They were a bit faster than 59s but not much. Of course, the sequence light never worked.
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Post by ribaric on Oct 15, 2008 20:57:20 GMT
That'll explain it - you really are a mine of ..........
The sequence light used to work, sometimes anyway, on the Northern 38s but it needed someone to put a pilot light bulb in. A lot of drivers removed the bulbs to avoid being blinded by that eerie blue glow.
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Post by Tom on Oct 15, 2008 22:18:08 GMT
my understanding of the weak field switch not being used in tunnels was the fact the motors can arc more thus having a greater fire risk so to speak but who knows i could be wrong??? I always assumed it was because the train speeds would be too high for the overlaps. It would make sense - if you calculate overlaps based on the performance of an older stock which is then replaced, e.g. Standard stock replaced with '38 stock, then the '38s would be restricted to Standard stock performance. However, signal overlap calculations take their trip speeds from the data provided by the Train Performance Engineer, and it's the TPE who specifies if the flag is to be up or down, so perhaps there is a different reason?
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 16, 2008 6:29:33 GMT
In any case, it doesn't make sense to run trains too fast in the central area, the stations are too close together.
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