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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2006 20:51:47 GMT
...Bombardier do not want their logo in a position where it can be stepped on, and LU do not want a logo on the vehicle exterior. Why?
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Post by prjb on Aug 1, 2006 21:04:44 GMT
Sorry guys, I didn't want to intrude too much into this thread so I'll answer and get out! Bombardier do not feel it is in line with their corporate image to put their name on the floor to be trodden on. LU do not want other logo's (Metronet/Bombardier etc) on the vehicle's exterior body as it is not in keeping with our corporate image and it is felt that it may cause confusion for customers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2006 9:37:42 GMT
Then the logo should be on the interior. It has worked before elsewhere, so why can't it work here?
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Post by CSLR on Aug 2, 2006 11:19:56 GMT
Just to confirm, there is no inscription of any kind on the step plate. Bombardier do not want their logo in a position where it can be stepped on, and LU do not want a logo on the vehicle exterior. There has been some talk of an internal logo but this has not yet been agreed. While I can understand the LU viewpoint, Bombardier's position is a complete mystery. It is difficult to formulate an opinion if we cannot understand what they are trying to achieve. The statement that they do not want people walking on their name smacks of something that started as an internal joke within the company and was subsequently taken seriously. Look at the facts:- 1. There cannot be many members of the travelling public who are going to rush out and try to buy a brand new train from the manufacturers, so why is it so important that they are made aware of the name? 2. If there are any technical problems after delivery, it could work against the manufacturer to promote itself to the public. 3. If someone from another railway company wants to contact the manufacturer, the fact that the name is displayed (or not) will not affect this. Railways will seek out manufacturers and manufacturers' salesmen will still seek out railways. 4. If Bombardier really wants its name to be prominent (goodness knows why), the step-plate is the best place for it. Many people look down as they pass between the platform and the carriage. That is how I first learned names such as Gloucester, Birmingham, Metro-Cammell and Cravens. Some companies are long gone, so it just shows what an impact those step-plates made. 5. A named and dated step-plate is traditional. Anyone who wants these details knows where to look, while many people who do not need to know still spot it (see 4 above). 6. I know that manufacturers plates are installed internally on some buses, but they failed completely to grab my attention until someone pointed out that the name of a defunct company was on display. Maybe Bombardier wants its name displayed elsewhere in order to keep a low profile? 7. Within a few years of the stock being introduced, the name Bombardier will probably not mean anything anyway if they keep changing it as regularly as they have done previously. Yes I know, that last name-change was the final one... it always is!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2006 13:25:49 GMT
Bombardier do not feel it is in line with their corporate image to put their name on the floor to be trodden on. LU do not want other logo's (Metronet/Bombardier etc) on the vehicle's exterior body as it is not in keeping with our corporate image and it is felt that it may cause confusion for customers. I am amused by that, purely because it seems a tad childish! If that is the case, why dont they have a plate inside the train at the end of every carriage, as the C stock does??
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Post by CSLR on Aug 2, 2006 13:33:17 GMT
Bombardier do not feel it is in line with their corporate image to put their name on the floor to be trodden on. LU do not want other logo's (Metronet/Bombardier etc) on the vehicle's exterior body as it is not in keeping with our corporate image and it is felt that it may cause confusion for customers. I am amused by that, purely because it seems a tad childish! If that is the case, why dont they have a plate inside the train at the end of every carriage, as the C stock does?? I find it interesting that time (and therefore money) is being used at design meetings on such an important issue as this.
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Post by Tomcakes on Aug 2, 2006 16:45:25 GMT
Will LU be getting a man with a piece of sandpaper to remove "Bic" from the side of all their office pens because it "is not in keeping with their corporate imagine and it may cause confusion".
I reckon most people are more confused by the multitude of contractors, sub contractors, sub-sub-sub contractors and the various beancounting agencies than who's built the train.
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Post by CSLR on Aug 2, 2006 16:53:32 GMT
I reckon most people are more confused by the multitude of contractors, sub contractors, sub-sub-sub contractors and the various beancounting agencies than who's built the train. I am confused as to why you think I am confused by sub contractors and sub-sub-sub contractors, but not by sub-sub contractors. Or does that make me a beancounter?
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Post by prjb on Aug 2, 2006 19:22:21 GMT
Hey guys, take a look at my post in the 'forum & site annoucements' thread.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 2, 2006 19:43:08 GMT
Why? Does that have the name of a sub-sub-contrator engraved on the step plate?
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Post by prjb on Aug 2, 2006 20:27:17 GMT
Sorry! It was a blatant plug and a little cheeky I know.
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Post by prjb on Aug 2, 2006 20:29:03 GMT
Bombardier do not feel it is in line with their corporate image to put their name on the floor to be trodden on. LU do not want other logo's (Metronet/Bombardier etc) on the vehicle's exterior body as it is not in keeping with our corporate image and it is felt that it may cause confusion for customers. I am amused by that, purely because it seems a tad childish! If that is the case, why dont they have a plate inside the train at the end of every carriage, as the C stock does?? I find it interesting that time (and therefore money) is being used at design meetings on such an important issue as this. There was no meeting time taken up on this subject, they wrote to Metronet and made the request which was passed on to LU. Thats the contractual way of doing this type of thing apparently.
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Post by CSLR on Aug 2, 2006 20:56:27 GMT
There was no meeting time taken up on this subject, they wrote to Metronet and made the request which was passed on to LU. Thats the contractual way of doing this type of thing apparently. OK prjb. Nice to know that the ink, paper and clerical time were put to good use.
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Post by prjb on Aug 3, 2006 18:59:59 GMT
There was no meeting time taken up on this subject, they wrote to Metronet and made the request which was passed on to LU. Thats the contractual way of doing this type of thing apparently. OK prjb. Nice to know that the ink, paper and clerical time were put to good use. They did try telepathy but realised that even if they were successful they would still need to make a formal submission the same as they would for any other type of contractual request (big or small). ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2006 11:58:37 GMT
I have added some photos of the 2009 stock mock up to my photosite. The photos can be found here:- www.flickr.com/photos/stephenk1977/sets/1617237/I found the train to be slightly wider than usual for tube profile trains, although I didn't notice the seat width differences that have been mentioned. The increased forced ventilation systems are quite noticable!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2006 13:05:31 GMT
Will LU be getting a man with a piece of sandpaper to remove "Bic" from the side of all their office pens because it "is not in keeping with their corporate imagine and it may cause confusion". The confusion being that people start thinking they can use a biro as a Brake Isolating Cock .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2006 14:09:16 GMT
The confusion being that people start thinking they can use a biro as a Brake Isolating Cock . BIC & BRV - Is now Gel pen and BRV! lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2006 14:14:33 GMT
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Post by DWS on Aug 4, 2006 15:28:58 GMT
All to easy for unauthorised people to use, this type of butterfly cock has been removed on the D stock refurb.
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Post by prjb on Aug 4, 2006 22:21:39 GMT
The butterfly is not the final design, when we had 'official' photo's taken we had to position a member of staff in front of it! It will not be as easy to tamper with. To me the best shots are when the doors are shown closed. I shut them for aspect to take his shots, it was like being a guard again!! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2006 16:01:37 GMT
The butterfly is not the final design, when we had 'official' photo's taken we had to position a member of staff in front of it! It will not be as easy to tamper with. To me the best shots are when the doors are shown closed. I shut them for aspect to take his shots, it was like being a guard again!! ;D For which i was most grateful, indeed for the whole tour. I also commented to PRJB about the butterfly, he did explain there would be more to that than was shown in the display.
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