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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2006 19:58:01 GMT
above it would be better, making the line name central on the screen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2006 20:05:02 GMT
still, though, putting the number up there would not be of any use to the customer, so they could have a little rear route number display like on the back of buses. Train numbers might be of use to customers in some circumstances, e.g. if you realise as the train pulls away that you've left your bag behind. Or you wish to complain about the driver!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2006 14:28:13 GMT
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Post by Chris M on Sept 3, 2006 15:37:36 GMT
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Post by Ben on Sept 7, 2006 20:15:54 GMT
I just noticed the drawing of the Overground train on LUL's site. I'm not the clued up on modern NR stock, so I don't know if its a new design or an existing one in Overground livery. I merely make the point that it has opening windows for the carraige saloon which I thought was quite interesting. If it is new, then how come the design includes opening windows? www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-centre/image-gallery/images/rez-low/l-overground-exterior.jpg
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2006 21:00:27 GMT
I just noticed the drawing of the Overground train on LUL's site. I'm not the clued up on modern NR stock, so I don't know if its a new design or an existing one in Overground livery. I merely make the point that it has opening windows for the carraige saloon which I thought was quite interesting. If it is new, then how come the design includes opening windows? Ooh, they've even nicked our train livery! Well, almost. No idea why it would have opening windows, unless it's an existing stock refurbished.
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Post by Colin on Sept 8, 2006 0:53:33 GMT
I just noticed the drawing of the Overground train on LUL's site. I'm not the clued up on modern NR stock, so I don't know if its a new design or an existing one in Overground livery. I merely make the point that it has opening windows for the carraige saloon which I thought was quite interesting. If it is new, then how come the design includes opening windows? It looks like desiro class 360 stock to me - though they are supposed to based on the 376 / 377's In any case, this thread is meant for S stock, can we discuss the new overground stock in the thread that's already been created HERE
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2006 0:56:34 GMT
The new build will be Electrostar Class 376 stock - which is operated by SET. It's the stock which has big doors that slide, rather than plug. Apparently they have a lot less door failures on the 376 than the 375!
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Post by Chris M on Sept 8, 2006 1:06:42 GMT
the 360s have two windscreen panels (not 3), don't have a light cluster (they are arranged individually) and the shape of the front end below the windscreen is wrong as well. They look more like 376s (as the ELL are apparently getting) but with a cab-end door.
It appears though that the train illustrated is a diesel unit as there clearly aren't any pantos and I can't see any shoes
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2006 1:15:00 GMT
They just wanted to demonstrate the livery I guess - so that will all come to fruition later.
Besides, all new trains must have a pantograph cess if built for NR iirc.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 8, 2006 1:17:06 GMT
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Post by Colin on Sept 8, 2006 2:13:43 GMT
the 360s have two windscreen panels (not 3), don't have a light cluster (they are arranged individually) and the shape of the front end below the windscreen is wrong as well. They look more like 376s (as the ELL are apparently getting) but with a cab-end door. It appears though that the train illustrated is a diesel unit as there clearly aren't any pantos and I can't see any shoes I stand corrected then ;D Anyway: In any case, this thread is meant for S stock, can we discuss the new overground stock in the thread that's already been created HERE
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Post by Chris M on Sept 8, 2006 2:50:07 GMT
Sorry Colin, I didn't see your edit or the subsequent posts while I was looking for and at photos of Class 360s and 376s
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Post by Ben on Sept 8, 2006 5:09:50 GMT
Ok, well I could expand my question whilst the new stock for the SSR cant? I'm fascinated by the fact the two rail lines under the same current ownership and therefore bound by the same set of H&S rules are allowed different ways of interpreting them.
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Post by prjb on Sept 8, 2006 19:13:32 GMT
I can't speak for decisions made on other stock, particularly ex-NR stock (if thats what it is?). I can only reiterate what I have already said for 'S'.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2006 22:24:42 GMT
I'm surprised TfL didn't opt for buying more S Stock...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2006 22:27:48 GMT
because some of the line is overhead electric (I think) and diesel traction. Also these trains are being built by Bombardier so there must be another very good reason, such as dates of delivery as the S is still in development and the new ones for the Overground are already in widespread use.
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Post by johnb on Sept 11, 2006 15:22:57 GMT
because some of the line is overhead electric (I think) and diesel traction. Also these trains are being built by Bombardier so there must be another very good reason, such as dates of delivery as the S is still in development and the new ones for the Overground are already in widespread use. Yup, OHLE between North Pole and Camden Road, and also between Dalston and Hackney (although the DC still exists on the latter stage. Any future electrification on the diesel line from Barking to Gospel Oak will also be OHLE, since it's viewed as the standard for new mainline work. It's likely that Camden to Dalston will be converted to AC as well at some point. Considering the AC pick-up, the required delivery date, the relatively small order, and the possibility of using 170s (the diesel equivalent to the 376s) if the GOBLIN doesn't get electrified, using a new build of already-designed AC/DC 376s was the only serious option for the Overground. I'd assume, perhaps wrongly, that S-stock has a significant proportion of Electrostar components under the skin?
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Post by prjb on Sept 11, 2006 17:32:16 GMT
Whilst there are some parts that are the same (also the build philosophy), 'S' is almost like the next generation. There are a lot of improvements over like for like systems such as the on-board computer (TCMS).
The saloon interior is being given a lot more consideration too, in order to make it more LU. As I said previously, I really want to see things like the the car numbers incorporated into the TfL/LU roundel as on 38ts. This train will not look like a standard NR train.
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