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Post by Oracle on Nov 13, 2006 13:27:30 GMT
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Post by trc666 on Nov 13, 2006 17:38:46 GMT
Other passenger moves include (may be some errors):
Piccadilly line
King's Cross St. Pancras (east to west)
Hyde Park Corner (east to west)
Barons Court - Hammersmith via sidings
Local lines either direction Barons Court - Northfields
Hounslow Central (west to east)
Hatton Cross (west to east, both platforms)
Hatton Cross to Heathrow Terminals 1,2,3 direct
Ealing Broadway District (emergency only)
South Harrow (north to south)
Victoria line
Seven Sisters platform 4 to Tottenham Hale
Highbury & Islington (south to north)
Warren Street (south to north)
Victoria (south to north)
Northern line
Hampstead (south to north)
Golders Green (north to south)
East Finchley platforms 2 and 3
Euston (north to south)
Charing Cross (south to north)
Moorgate (south to north)
Stockwell (south to north)
Jubilee line
Finchley Road (south to north from fast or local platform)
Waterloo (east to west)
London Bridge (west to east)
Canary Wharf (east to west, either platform)
North Greenwich (east to west)
Bakerloo line
Harrow & Wealdstone (from northbound platform)
Queen's Park (NR outer platforms)
London Paddington (east to west)
Piccadilly Circus (south to north)
Lambeth North (south to north)
Central line
Debden (souh to north)
Loughton (centre platform)
Woodford
Hainault
Newbury Park (south to north)
Leytonstone
Bethnal Green (east to west)
Liverpool Street (west to east?)
White City
North Acton
Northolt (north to south)
Circle / Hammersmith & City lines
Royal Oak (east to west)
Edgware Road
Baker Street (west to east)
King's Cross St. Pancras (west to east)
Moorgate (east to west)
Aldgate (south to north)
Whitechapel
Plaistow (east to west)
Barking (east to west)
Tower Hill (east to west)
Mansion House (east to west)
Gloucester Road (east to west)
High Street Kensington (east to west)
Metropolitan / East London lines
Surrey Quays (south to north)
Rickmansworth (north to south)
All three arms of the Watford Triangle
Harrow-on-the-Hill
Baker Street
King's Cross St. Pancras (west to east)
Moorgate (east to west)
Refer to Colin's post for District reversing points.
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Post by Oracle on Nov 13, 2006 17:46:25 GMT
Which of the previous listing can be done in Passenger Service, Over Unusual Lines? We need a list of scheduled trains or I think we can add those likely to be used when the service goes belly up? Mansion House for instance. Harrow-on-the Hill is a good candidate for inclusion...P1 and the P2 reverser S-N. Please post them e mail me!
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Post by trc666 on Nov 13, 2006 18:20:01 GMT
The points shown on the list above are all passenger signalled AFAIK.
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Post by Oracle on Nov 13, 2006 19:18:54 GMT
Great, but can we please quote timetabled trains over these routes in UPSUL? Isn't there a Kings X reverser, NB-SB?
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Post by trc666 on Nov 13, 2006 21:47:15 GMT
The Piccadilly has two King's Cross St. Pancras to Heathrow Terminals 1,2,3 services on Sundays at 06:57 and 07:12, these trains call additionally at Turnham Green. There is a Rayners Lane train on Mondays to Saturdays which starts from Hammersmith at 05:27, which calls additionally at Turnham Green. Also a 05:18 South Harrow to Acton Town service.
Northern line trains starting from East Finchley (Monday to Saturday) are at 05:41, 05:56, 06:01 and 06:07. These trains go to High Barnet except for the 06:01 departure which goes to Mill Hill East.
Victoria line services starting from platform 4 at Seven Sisters for Walthamstow Central depart at 05:26 and 05:43 Monday to Saturday.
Metropolitan line services using the northern arm of the Watford Triangle are:
05:17 Chesham to Watford (Monday to Saturday)
00:50 Watford to Rickmansworth (Monday to Saturday)
06:47 and 06:59 Rickmansworth to Watford (Sundays)
00:26 and 00:37 Watford to Rickmansworth (Sundays)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2006 3:41:29 GMT
sorry but i am going to have to disagree with a couple of the met passenger moves, firstly chalfont and latimer reversals are carried out using shunt signals which mean passengers cannot be carried and i cannot work out for the life of me how a train can reverse at moor park
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Post by Colin on Nov 14, 2006 4:01:29 GMT
Whitechapel Plaistow (east to west) Barking (east to west) Dagenham East (east to west) Tower Hill (east to west) Mansion House (east to west) Gloucester Road (east to west) Earls Court High Street Kensington (north to south) West Kensington (east to west) Parsons Green (south to north) Barons Court - Hammersmith via siding Fast lines Barons Court to Acton Town Gunnersbury (south to north) I can tell you more about these. WhitechapelPlatform 1, East & West moves are normal. Platform 2, East moves are normal. West moves are less likely - not unusual. Platform 3, West moves are normal. East moves are highly unusual - not timetabled. Platform 4, West moves are normal. East moves are highly unusual - not timetabled. PlaistowPlatform 2, West moves are extremely rare - not timetabled. BarkingYou say East to West - I assume you mean from Platform 3? The District has timetabled [West] departures at: 0655 M-F & 2336 M-S. All other districts using platform 3 are extremely rare. Dagenham EastPlatform 2, West moves are extremely rare - not timetabled. Tower HillPlatform 2, west moves are extremely common! Too many to mention. Mansion HousePlatform 2, west moves are timetabled at: 0620 M-F and 0751 Sun. This move occurs often at other times, but is not timetabled. Gloucester RoadThe move from platform 3 is to High Street Kensington only. This move is extremely rare - even less so for a District train. Earls CourtPlatform 1 is East only. Platform 2 is East only. Platform 3, West is normal. East is extremely rare - not timetabled. Platform 4 is West only. High Street kensington(we only use East & West on the District, NOT North & South  ) Platform 1 is West only (even though Circle line trains become East at Gloucester Road). Platform 2, East is normal. West is highly unusual - not timetabled (can be either ECT or GRD). Platform 3 is West only. Usually the Olympia platform. Platform 4 is West only. Platforms 3 & 4 are used extensively at the start and end of service - also start & end of peaks. West KensingtonPlatform 2, West moves are extremely rare - not timetabled. Non public moves are timetabled at: 0518 M-S & 0022 sun. Parsons Green(again, we only use East & West on the District, NOT North & South!) There is no such move as West - East (you said South - North). Barons Court - HammersmithVia the sidings would be extremely rare - not timetabled. Barons Court - Acton Town or Acton Town - HammersmithVia the fast lines (Piccadilly line) would be extremely rare - not timetabled. Gunnersbury(and again, we only use East & West on the District, NOT North & South!!) East from the Westbound platform would be extremely rare - not timetabled. I'd aslo like to point out a few others that may be of interest if this list is to be a serious attempt: HornchurchPlatform 2, West moves are extremely rare - not timetabled. East HamPlatform 1, East moves are extremely rare - not timetabled. Bromley-By-BowPlatform 2, West moves are extremely rare - not timetabled. Aldgate EastPlatform 1, East moves are timetabled at: 0625 & 0645 Sun. Otherwise extremely rare. EmbankmentPlatform 1, East moves are extremely rare - not timetabled. South KensingtonPlatform 1, East moves are extremely rare - not timetabled. Putney BridgePlatform 2, East move timetabled at: 0035 (arr only) M-S. Otherwise extremely rare. Acton TownUse of platforms 2 (east) & 3 (west) are extremely rare - not timetabled. Please note: All of this information is based upon the assumption that the normal published working timetable is in operation. I'd also like to think it's quite obvious that engineering works, late running and the like will create opportunities not normally available. |
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Post by Harsig on Nov 14, 2006 10:41:06 GMT
Other passenger moves include (may be some errors): Circle / District / Hammersmith & City linesBaker Street (west to east) No schedule moves No schedule moves Not available for passenger moves No schedule moves Far too many to mention. However special mention should be made of (MS)05:36½ Aldgate to Circle Line(Inner Rail), the (SuO)07:20 Aldgate to Circle Line (Inner Rail) and (SuO) 00:22½ Aldgate to Hammersmith all of which depart from the Outer Rail platform at Aldgate towards Liverpool St |
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Post by Oracle on Nov 14, 2006 12:41:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2006 13:22:40 GMT
I'm surprised one not mentioned is Earls Court "wrong" platforms for route...
I'll have a look through the WTT in a moment.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2006 13:30:23 GMT
Just to add to the desire to do ride passenger over these odd moves ...
There is also a desire amonst some drivers to perform as many of these odd moves as possible ! Several drivers and myself regularly compare notes on those we have managed !
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Post by Oracle on Nov 14, 2006 15:21:37 GMT
Is Putney Bridge Bay regularly used? Or can we count it in?
Willesden Junction won't count as the timetabled bay reversers are Silverlinks.
What about White City central platform...is that used in both directions as a matter of course? I am so out of touch! We used to think it special that there was one Central train a day after the morning peak when it went to Hainault Depot via Woodford.
Do any Northern trains terminate in either of middle platforms at Finchley, en route to Depot?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2006 16:08:06 GMT
Just a brief look at the Putney Bridge bay platform shows nothing on Sundays during the day. Couldn't find anything for Monday-Friday during the day either.
The White City central platform is used for any terminator if it is free.
Looking at Finchley, all seems to be same platform.
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Post by trc666 on Nov 14, 2006 17:18:24 GMT
The list I created was most of the possible reversing points that could be used in passenger service, not just the rare ones. Like I said in the earlier post, it is incomplete there may be some errors and I will now edit the post to reflect the corrections supplied to me.
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Post by Oracle on Nov 14, 2006 19:08:26 GMT
I have altered the page slightly ...what Jubbly trains can we include? Obviously Green Park branch is not in service. Are there any pax service wrong-line reversers? Also is Victoria timetabled please?
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Post by trc666 on Nov 14, 2006 19:11:12 GMT
There are no timetabled Victoria reversers as far as I know.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2006 19:24:21 GMT
I have altered the page slightly ...what Jubbly trains can we include? Obviously Green Park branch is not in service. Are there any pax service wrong-line reversers? Also is Victoria timetabled please? The only one that comes to mind is North Greenwich, from the west. |
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Post by Oracle on Nov 14, 2006 21:39:30 GMT
Cheers.
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Post by towerman on Nov 14, 2006 21:45:24 GMT
Also,if there's trouble west of North Greenwich,you can reverse west to east there.You can reverse east to west at Canary Wharf,and reverse both ways at London Bridge and Waterloo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2006 21:54:56 GMT
You can do west to east at Canary Wharf as well. In fact the east to west movement can be done in both directions thanks to the provision of the scissors crossover.
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Post by Colin on Nov 15, 2006 3:06:44 GMT
I'm surprised one not mentioned is Earls Court "wrong" platforms for route... I'll have a look through the WTT in a moment. I see you haven't added to this comment - I suspect you have found that there is no such instance of this scenario possible  ;D ;D ;D Is Putney Bridge Bay regularly used? Putney BridgePlatform 2, East move timetabled at: 0035 (arr only) M-S. Otherwise extremely rare. Platform 2 is the bay road (BTW - the train departs at 0042, but runs empty to Parsons Green). |
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Post by Tubeboy on Nov 15, 2006 3:42:53 GMT
Its East-West only at London Bridge isnt it [Jubilee]
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Post by towerman on Nov 15, 2006 4:06:11 GMT
No,you can do west to east,but it's such APItA that they don't do it unless the sevice is seriously cream crackered.When the extension was Waterloo-Stratford only,there was a west to east rusty rail trip at London Bridge late at night,used to do staff train Stratford-North Greenwich then empty to London Bridge,reverse then empty to West Ham and stable.
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Post by Oracle on Nov 15, 2006 10:52:58 GMT
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Post by trc666 on Nov 15, 2006 11:14:13 GMT
You should also add that Piccadilly line services can use the local lines from Barons Court to Acton Town in both directions during disruption.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2006 11:21:33 GMT
I'm surprised one not mentioned is Earls Court "wrong" platforms for route... I'll have a look through the WTT in a moment. I see you haven't added to this comment - I suspect you have found that there is no such instance of this scenario possible ;D ;D ;D Actually there is Colin, I was talking about mainline District Trains coming into Earls Ct and using the HSK branch platform, of which there are appear to be quite a few booked! In the opposite direction the story is very different though! |
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Post by Oracle on Nov 15, 2006 12:23:23 GMT
TC does that mean usage of P1? Is it sufficiently "rare" enough to quote?
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Post by Oracle on Nov 15, 2006 13:06:50 GMT
Added anyway!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2006 14:05:24 GMT
Looking through the new SWT timetable...
0105 London Waterloo - Southampton booked via Pt Pleasant & Wimbledon Park. SSuX
0454 Basingstoke - London Waterloo booked via Wimbledon Pk & Pt Pleasant Jn. SuX
0042 London Waterloo - Strawberry Hill booked via Pt Pleasant & Wimbledon Park ALL WEEK.
0142 London Waterloo - Twickenham (0230) booked via Pt Pleasant & Wimbledon Park SuO.
0005 London Waterloo - Bournemouth has time allowed for it to run via Pt Pleasant but ISN'T booked. SuX
2110 Weymouth - London Waterloo booked via Wimbledon Pk & Pt Pleasant. SuX
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