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Angel
Jan 17, 2006 5:42:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2006 5:42:21 GMT
Why does Angel have such massive wide platforms? Is there something important that goes on there I've missed?
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Angel
Jan 17, 2006 7:08:40 GMT
Post by compsci on Jan 17, 2006 7:08:40 GMT
See David's photo of how things used to look hereThere used to be a narrow island platform in a single large tunnel, which is now the southbound platform. A new northbound platform was constructed when the station was refurbished. The escalators replaced the lifts at the same time.
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Angel
Jan 17, 2006 12:30:35 GMT
Post by mowat on Jan 17, 2006 12:30:35 GMT
Angel along whith Euston and Stockwell? were rebuilt in the 1960's, only Clapham North and Clapham Common retain the island platforms. Does anyone know if there are plans to rebuild them.
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Angel
Jan 17, 2006 13:03:46 GMT
Post by Chris M on Jan 17, 2006 13:03:46 GMT
There was a thread about the angel not too long back (that Colin will probably link to when he reads this) where there were links to before and after photos taken by David and myself respectively.
There was also a thread discussing the Claphams (although this was not the original point of the thread iirc) where someone asked why they didn't rebuild them like Angel. ISTR that one or two of the drivers objected due to "fringe benefits" available at these stations. Seriously though I am not aware of any plans to rebuild them, but I'd be amazed if the HSE didnt' insist on it sooner or later.
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Angel
Jan 17, 2006 13:14:44 GMT
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Angel
Jan 17, 2006 21:43:13 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2006 21:43:13 GMT
Aaah right that explains it, those old platforms look narrower than Wapping.
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Angel
Jan 17, 2006 21:46:42 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2006 21:46:42 GMT
Euston on the Bank side used to be like that before the modernisations [when it was still the City & South London]
I did hear about an outline investigation into the feasibility of modernising the Claphams, but the idea appears to have gone cold.
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Angel
Jan 17, 2006 21:52:44 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2006 21:52:44 GMT
Euston (City branch) was like that until the Vic was built, when it was modified to give cross-platform interchange.
It used to scare the daylight out of me as a youth: coming down those stairs onto that narrow island platform.
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Angel
Jan 18, 2006 7:27:15 GMT
Post by Colin on Jan 18, 2006 7:27:15 GMT
There was a thread about the angel not too long back (that Colin will probably link to when he reads this) I might have to sack myself if you lot keep this up!! ;D ;D ;D
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Angel
Mar 8, 2006 10:24:02 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2006 10:24:02 GMT
Angel along whith Euston and Stockwell? were rebuilt in the 1960's The island platform at Stockwell was abandoned when the C&SLR was expanded to UERL standards and reopend in 1924. (source: The Northern Line a short history by M. A. C. Horne) "at Stockwell the the old single station tunnel was abandoned and relaced by twin platform tunnels to the south". However perhaps one of those in the know could explain the next sentence (in the same book): "At Kennington and and Elephant and Castle one of the platforms and the running lines were transposed to ease alignments"......Wossat mean?
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Angel
Mar 8, 2006 10:32:39 GMT
Post by CSLR on Mar 8, 2006 10:32:39 GMT
The island platform at Stockwell was abandoned when the C&SLR was expanded to UERL standards and reopend in 1924. (source: The Northern Line a short history by M. A. C. Horne) "at Stockwell the the old single station tunnel was abandoned and relaced by twin platform tunnels to the south". However perhaps one of those in the know could explain the next sentence (in the same book): "At Kennington and and Elephant and Castle one of the platforms and the running lines were transposed to ease alignments"......Wossat mean? The platform was moved to the other side at a single track tube station. As a result the platform is now where the track used to be and the track occupies the site formerly used by the platform. You can see a photograph of a piece of affected tunnel and read an explanation in this thread from yesterday districtdavesforum.co.uk/index.cgi?board=Quizzes&action=display&thread=1141732673
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Angel
Mar 8, 2006 11:19:58 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2006 11:19:58 GMT
And the "ease alignments" part means?
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Angel
Mar 8, 2006 11:31:47 GMT
Post by CSLR on Mar 8, 2006 11:31:47 GMT
The island platform at Stockwell was abandoned when the C&SLR was expanded to UERL standards and reopend in 1924. To put this into context here is a picture that shows what you are mentioning. The present station is in the distance and the old island platform station is in the middle of the picture. A former loco spur, which became a siding before being blocked off, is on the left. Entrance to the incline tunnel is behind the camera and slightly to the left. If you look carefully at the right hand wall of the running tunnel in the foreground at about head height, you will see that a layer of brick has been removed causing a large indentation. This was hacked out in the 1890s after the Ashbury carriages hit the wall as they were heading into the very tight scissors crossover that was at this end of the platform. A similar layer of brick has been removed from the wall at the end of the platform at King William Street.
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Angel
Mar 8, 2006 11:38:47 GMT
Post by CSLR on Mar 8, 2006 11:38:47 GMT
And the "ease alignments" part means? The old curves were too tight. By throwing the track to the other side of the station tunnel, it was possible to increase the radius of the approach curve.
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Angel
Mar 8, 2006 14:04:28 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2006 14:04:28 GMT
Thnks for that. Presumably Piccadilly Circus (Bakerloo) is the way it is for similar reasons?
Moving back to the topic of Angel, why, at one end of the platforms was one of the tunnel entrances the normal shape, and the other pointed? (one of my mates always used to say that one was Gothic and the other Norman)
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Angel
Mar 8, 2006 14:27:34 GMT
Post by CSLR on Mar 8, 2006 14:27:34 GMT
Moving back to the topic of Angel, why, at one end of the platforms was one of the tunnel entrances the normal shape, and the other pointed? (one of my mates always used to say that one was Gothic and the other Norman) I suppose Gothic, Norman and Angel do fit quite well together. The entrance that looked like it led to a running tunnel actually led to...a running tunnel. What you saw as a pointed tunnel entrance was part of the curve of a large diameter tunnel that began where the station tunnel ended, but offset from it. This was built because there was an underground siding at this station.
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Angel
Nov 8, 2006 17:38:40 GMT
Post by motormanmet on Nov 8, 2006 17:38:40 GMT
The siding in question trailing off the northbound line just before the platform was closed in 1959 along with the signal cabin 'K' (it can still be accessed along with the old section of NB running tunnel from the south end of the wide southbound platform).
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