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Oct 30, 2007 21:17:32 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2007 21:17:32 GMT
Trainstops need to remain on the Met, after all Chiltern need them- but it would be nice to have Steam on the met post 2013! They could even have Electric on the met using old restored trains (hopefully some A/C/D/Q stock!). It will be nice to show my kids what proper trains looked and sounded like! Why do they need to remain? The Chiltern's could run in coded manual, with cab signalling.
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Oct 30, 2007 21:52:05 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2007 21:52:05 GMT
Trainstops need to remain on the Met, after all Chiltern need them- but it would be nice to have Steam on the met post 2013! They could even have Electric on the met using old restored trains (hopefully some A/C/D/Q stock!). It will be nice to show my kids what proper trains looked and sounded like! Why do they need to remain? The Chiltern's could run in coded manual, with cab signalling. If such a thing were to occur, I wonder how the existing ATP units would be accommodated.
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Oct 30, 2007 23:07:57 GMT
Post by superteacher on Oct 30, 2007 23:07:57 GMT
Trainstops need to remain on the Met, after all Chiltern need them- but it would be nice to have Steam on the met post 2013! They could even have Electric on the met using old restored trains (hopefully some A/C/D/Q stock!). It will be nice to show my kids what proper trains looked and sounded like! Why do they need to remain? The Chiltern's could run in coded manual, with cab signalling. Chiltern have no obligation to upgrade their trains to ATP, so they won't. Hence the trainstops have to stay. Some interesting comments on this thread about ATO in general, and the running of non ATO trains on ATO lines. The Central line has colour signals at certain places, and these were initially designed to allow non ATO trains to operate, hence the provision of green for "line clear to next colour signal", white for "line not clear to next colour signal, so only ATP fitted trains can pass", and red for "stop - all trains." Of course now, no trains are allowed on the Central without ATP - they even had to fit the engineers trains with ATP. I assume that they were originally going to retain the tripcock system at the colour light signals, but changed their minds.
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Oct 31, 2007 0:17:02 GMT
Post by railtechnician on Oct 31, 2007 0:17:02 GMT
It's H&S at work as usual and it will continue to be more restrictive as people who are paid to do nothing except think up answers to potential issues continuing doing exactly that.
Of course the Victoria line was the first to go without 'trips' and that made life difficult for anything but Vic stock. One Engineer's train on the line meant the Engineer having to take possession of the entire line. The Possession master used to be on the end of a phone line at Finsbury Park and a quick phone call would establish where the train would be and whether it was possible to work elsewhere on the line. This process was fine and then it was decided that the intended site person in charge of unrelated work had to have a face to face meeting with the possession master, not much fun if the train is working north of Euston and you want to work in the platfrom area at Stockwell!
I could see a time in the future where only the properly approved stock subject to 24 hour maintenance checks is allowed on any given line and for all else to be excluded or be required to be so protected as to make the cost of running anything else prohibitive.
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