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Post by agoodcuppa on Mar 2, 2007 13:01:19 GMT
But the impedance loops can also be used to control the exit barriers, ie if something is detected on the crossing they do not lower until the crossing is clear while at the same time indicating an obstruction in the signal control room and keeping the approach signal at red. Whilst superficially practical that option fails to deal with the situation where the obstruction puts itself across the track when the train is sufficiently close that it couldn't stop in time, i.e. within the train's braking distance. This is what happens when someone drives round the half-barriers and gets a very close view of a train's front end, for a nano-second.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2007 14:10:49 GMT
Ah Yes! but the obstruction would not be able to place itself across the track when the train is close because the exit barriers would be blocking the entrance for the drive arounders but like johnb said, too much of a costly exercise. 20 seconds sounds rather late to lower the barriers for a 100mph train. I thought they had to lower three signal blocks in advance in case there was something wrong with the crossing to give the train sufficent time to stop. What would happen if there was a problem with the barriers.
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Post by agoodcuppa on Mar 2, 2007 14:36:27 GMT
Before the barriers lower a yellow lamp flashes for several seconds (sorry can't remember the figure, but one of the experts will be along shortly) followed by red flashing lights for the same amount of time again before the barriers come down. Whilst the barriers are lowered the red lights continue to flash. Thus there is warning that the barriers are about to descend. www.highwaycode.gov.uk/26.htm#265If the barriers have failed the whole crossing will be deemed to have failed and the protecting signal will remain at danger. Train crews have instructions on how to proceed in that event.
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Post by johnb on Mar 2, 2007 15:10:06 GMT
On an AHB, the yellow light starts to show 25 seconds before a train travelling at maximum line spead would reach the crossing. There is no scope for stopping the train (other than by manually setting preceding signals to red if someone uses the emergency handset).
The idea is that there are enough failsafe systems (lights, sirens, barriers, etc) that if one of them should fail by chance when it's too late to stop the train, the others will still leave the crossing acceptably safe. And obviously if any of the safety systems do fail, this will be indicated to the signaller by the equipment and then steps can be taken (TSRs, proceeding with caution, etc) to reduce the risk.
While this doesn't achieve the same absolute levels of safety as a system where the crossing needs to be secure before the train is signalled onto it, it works in practice. As I understand it, there has never been an AHB accident caused by mechanical failure - every single one has been caused by driver error.
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Post by Phil on Mar 2, 2007 16:03:11 GMT
I thought they had to lower three signal blocks in advance in case there was something wrong with the crossing to give the train sufficent time to stop. You have got to be joking!!! It may be the case in urban areas, but there are signal blocks 14+ miles long (just look at GWML for a start). Out in the sticks a crossing could be 12 or so miles from the nearest signal. It just ain't practical. Mind you, when signal boxes were such that a train hardly left the sight of one bobby or the next..........
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Post by Phil on Mar 2, 2007 16:05:26 GMT
As I understand it, there has never been an AHB accident caused by mechanical failure - every single one has been caused by driver error. Correct.
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Post by sm on Mar 2, 2007 18:46:18 GMT
REALLY, sm - I had assumed you were in the land of the Aussies. Sorry . Humble apologies. Just goes to show....... He's having you on Phil. He's no Afrikaaner. it's true, hehehe that'd be my devious convict nature coming out
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2007 21:57:53 GMT
The council wanted to build a bridge to replace a level crossing in Canterbury... Only trouble was, a 16th Century house was in the way, and I don't think English heritage would have been pleased if that had been bulldozed...
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