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Post by doubletrigger on Jun 26, 2006 12:34:24 GMT
Seeing as this forum is full of Londoners maybe someone can shed some light as to what is happening at the moment!
Kings X PSB has been evacuated and is expected to remain closed for the next 24 hours due to a major building fire in the nearby area. Does anyone have any information about this fire?
All trains under the control of Kings Cross PSB have been suspended... that's a lot of trains! GNER passengers are being taken by bus from Peterborough to Kettering to connect with MML services to Kings X... I'm just off to work now so I'll enjoy the fun... (Thankfully I'm on an overnight turn to Inverness... heading in the right direction today I thinks!).
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Post by Christopher J on Jun 26, 2006 12:51:23 GMT
BBC News Report here - news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5117264.stmKing's Cross evacuated over fire
King's Cross railway station has been evacuated because of fears of an explosion due to a nearby fire.
About 20 firefighters are tackling the blaze in a building at a construction site near the north London terminal.
There is a 200m exclusion zone around the fire, which began at about 0830 BST, as there are fears a gas cylinder could explode.
About 630 people have been led to safety and one person has been taken to hospital suffering from burns.
Trains are currently terminating at Peterborough and Finsbury Park and motorists are being advised to avoid the area.
The Tube service is unaffected.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 26, 2006 12:58:11 GMT
from the London Fire Brigage - www.london-fire.gov.uk/news/latest_incidents.aspKings Cross - building site blaze Kings Cross national main line station has been evacuated due to a fire at a building under construction on Goods Way at the junction of York Way in Kings Cross this morning. Four fire engines and around 20 firefighters are attending the blaze. An acetylene cylinder is involved in the fire and a 200 metre exclusion zone has been set up as a precaution as some cylinders can explode when exposed to heat. Around 630 people have been evacuated so far. One person has been taken to hospital by London Ambulance Service crews suffering from burns. The Brigade was called at 0836.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2006 15:03:15 GMT
Oh dear, that looks bad, I feel sorry for whoever got burns People will complain but much better to cancel appointments than have your life at risk I say.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 26, 2006 19:20:36 GMT
London Fire Brigade are now saying that "Several thousand people in the area have been evacuated so far." and that it is unlikely that people will be able to return this evening.
GNER and FCC are advising people not to travel, as there is huge disruption and overcrowding on services that are running.
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Post by orienteer on Jun 26, 2006 20:38:55 GMT
BBC TV news showed a rail spokesman saying that a tower crane was in danger of toppling onto the signal control centre. Presumably that's why they couldn't simply terminate trains at Finsbury Park.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2006 20:42:50 GMT
It's because it's within the 200m exclusion zone for that tower with the overheated gas cylinders on it? Sam
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2006 21:48:29 GMT
(correct me if i'm wrong) but if you were to evacuate an operational major signal box, signallers would dispatch an ALL STOP on the CSR, detailing that KX PSB is being evacuated, then set all signals to red and leg it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2006 21:59:58 GMT
(correct me if i'm wrong) but if you were to evacuate an operational major signal box, signallers would dispatch an ALL STOP on the CSR, detailing that KX PSB is being evacuated, then set all signals to red and leg it. Cant speak for NR, but procedure for me is if i have to evacuate, you finish all train movements, i.e into platforms, then you inform the Service Controller, and then once you have liased with him, you go to your SAP. Im afraid its not a case of put everything to red and run.....
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Post by Chris M on Jun 26, 2006 22:14:39 GMT
What does SAP stand for in this context? I'm guessing (something) Assembly Point?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2006 22:51:30 GMT
Signallers(?) Assembly Point
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2006 22:53:33 GMT
Staff [?] Assembly Point
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Post by chris on Jun 27, 2006 6:58:49 GMT
Super (?) Assembly Point (Well i dunno!!!)
The whole of Kings Cross. Heh. Thats gonna make peoples day. Why cant they just move the gas cylinder?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2006 7:09:23 GMT
When Met Apprentice is on duty it's a "Super signallers Assembly Point" but for the lesser mortals that run the railway it is indeed the Staff Assembly Point.
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Post by compsci on Jun 27, 2006 11:51:13 GMT
The powers that be decided to divert all Hull Trains services to Cambridge.
I now have lots of photos of a Pioneer looking rather out of place amongst what was left of the usual outer suburban service.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 27, 2006 12:13:44 GMT
Exactly what I would have done if I was near Cambridge!
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Post by doubletrigger on Jun 27, 2006 12:17:31 GMT
The gas cylinders concerned were reported to contain Acetlyene gas, extremely explosive stuff.
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Post by donnytom on Jun 27, 2006 15:12:33 GMT
Like others have said, better to delay people than blow them to bits or crush them. Some of them would have complained whatever happened!
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Post by Chris M on Jun 27, 2006 15:14:59 GMT
I don't think you can be too hard on people who complain because they've been blown to bits!
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Post by doubletrigger on Jun 27, 2006 15:45:32 GMT
I don't think you can be too hard on people who complain because they've been blown to bits! I'll my passengers their dues, most of them today were very understanding about the disruption, you always get the few though that don't seem to understand the seriousness of it and still think the TOCs are doing just because they got bored. Best question of the day : How did the fire start? Reply : <Confused Look> ..... I don't know.... I'm not investigating it personally...
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Post by donnytom on Jun 27, 2006 15:51:57 GMT
I don't think you can be too hard on people who complain because they've been blown to bits! ;D No, but there would have been some people, whatever action had been taken, who'd have complained just because they seem to like it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2006 16:27:05 GMT
Best question of the day : How did the fire start? Reply : <Confused Look> ..... I don't know.... I'm not investigating it personally... Excellent! There's always one! ;D Personally, I'd get Arson Sam on the case... ;D
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Post by doubletrigger on Jun 27, 2006 16:50:23 GMT
Best question of the day : How did the fire start? Reply : <Confused Look> ..... I don't know.... I'm not investigating it personally... Excellent! There's always one! ;D Personally, I'd get Arson Sam on the case... ;D Just wait til next episode... Arson Sam 5, Set in the sunny dales of Kings X PSB. It came close second to the other question I had... Q : "Is there any space down that end of the train?" A : ".... That's my office."
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 27, 2006 22:38:57 GMT
Will be open in morning, according to the local news.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2006 23:24:26 GMT
Will be open in morning, according to the local news. Good as Im going to York friday with Double Trigger! ;D
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Post by citysig on Jun 28, 2006 6:24:28 GMT
Yes all open and running sweet this morning (at least as far as the first train from my place.)
Couldn't have timed it better. I was on one of the last (if not the very last) train direct from King's Cross on Monday morning. Then Rest Day yesterday and back today.
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Post by doubletrigger on Jun 28, 2006 12:41:55 GMT
Will be open in morning, according to the local news. Good as Im going to York friday with Double Trigger! ;D Aye, still hoping to get a reply off the NRM first tho! Near impossible.
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Post by mandgc on Jun 29, 2006 1:07:00 GMT
Is this incident an argument against centralising equipment and staff in one place ? The job can be closed down for some quite unconnected matter. With todays technology 'Desks' could be located at separate locations and still be able to work as a 'Centralised' unit.
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Post by citysig on Jun 29, 2006 9:46:36 GMT
I wouldn't think it is.
Re-open many hundreds of signal boxes, re-employ staff to operate them, increasing costs by a vast amount, all in case a one-off incident occurs ? You do the maths.
Even if you split controlled areas and use technology rather than old-fashioned lever frames, you would still require someone to supervise the operation of the area.
There is a small irony in that during this incident, the local relay rooms were staffed to operate the service they operated. However, just as a similar incident could affect LU, it takes a lot more staff to control the railway, and can end up with the replacement service being much more restricted than it could otherwise be.
I can obviously see what you're saying, and to some the argument would seem very valid. But it's another one of those things in life where the long-term benefits do not out-weigh the costs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2006 13:27:22 GMT
After having thought about this issue, I think that the best option might be to simply establish remote control points in a given PSB's territory, with all of the user interface controls and none of the actual guts. These RCPs could use the existing hardened cabling back to the PSB and its remote interlockings, and thus allow the signalmen to evacuate the PSB, move to the RCP and reestablish control of the area.
It would still be expensive, but it would IMO offer a good balance between the expense of decentralization and the inconvenience of what happened during the fire.
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