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Post by metman on Apr 1, 2008 10:40:04 GMT
We won't get 3+2 seats back. The current seats are too small for modern standards and the body is the widest in England to fit them in! The C stock did have mostly transverse seats and that is the style I would like. The District doesn't need transverse seats, especially as the H&C/Circle and Distrcit trains will be interchangeable.
Early S stock designs did have 2+2 seating with room for a wheel chair in between.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2008 10:57:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2008 10:58:50 GMT
We won't get 3+2 seats back. The current seats are too small for modern standards and the body is the widest in England to fit them in! So have the standards changed since the Electrostars were built for c2c and southeastern? |
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Post by Tomcakes on Apr 1, 2008 11:40:05 GMT
I'd struggle to see how a stretcher couldn't be brought in... just lift it above the level of the top of the chairs.
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Post by metman on Apr 1, 2008 11:49:15 GMT
Thankfully the grab poles round off to become part of the draught screen (a very pleasing feature) but getting thru the R doors would be a nightmare!
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 1, 2008 12:03:36 GMT
The District doesn't need transverse seats So why does D stock have transverse seats then? |
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Post by metman on Apr 1, 2008 12:15:55 GMT
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 1, 2008 12:22:34 GMT
If space is an issue now, why didn't they change the seating layout when they refurbished the D stock?
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Post by metman on Apr 1, 2008 12:40:22 GMT
I thought that too-but clearly cost was an issue. The initial refurb was too expensive so moving the seats and the equipment under it wouldn't be worth it considering the D stock is being replaced in about 6 years! The D stock refurb reused a lot of the original elements such as the daughtscreens.
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 1, 2008 12:58:06 GMT
D stock might last longer, if the S stock is delayed.
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Post by metman on Apr 1, 2008 13:08:30 GMT
we can only hope....
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Post by 100andthirty on Apr 1, 2008 20:39:44 GMT
There will be people looking at this Central Line thread titled "Starting to get Unreliable" and finding a debate about the merits of C stock D stock and S stock. They'll inevitably think they've stumbled on a madhouse! Can we close this thread and start again? or break off the SSL parts and put them elsewhere? Moderators?  |
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Post by Chris M on Apr 1, 2008 20:45:53 GMT
Perhaps "Trains technical" would be a more appropriate location to discuss the merits of individual stocks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2008 20:47:22 GMT
Yes, I did notice we wandered off topic... I'll pen a PM to an Admin who can amend where necessary.
I do agree however, that the 92 stock is starting to show its age. Having 1st hand experience of these machines, I can say that... however I won't quote verbatim what I've said when one of them has failed on me...
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Post by 100andthirty on Apr 1, 2008 20:55:11 GMT
I imagine you say something along the lines of "oh dear something has gone wrong; what a pity!" - in basic Anglo Saxon
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2008 21:02:05 GMT
It's when you get weird messages on the DTS cab monitor [Data Transmission System] such as: Emcy Brake Applied Car [x], despite the fact you are still gaining speed.  Also, a couple of fave ones: Motoring with Brake Applied. This could be where, on manually driven days, I move the CTBC too quickly from motoring to brake to motoring... I've often done that to clear what I perceive as sluggishness with the train... And to close... Brake Not Available... Yes, a truly worrying message, if it were not for the fact I wasnae braking... Probably down to where part of the train has not received the brake 'code' all this electronic wizzardry makes me think, Oh, bring back the 62 stock, plain simple workhorses, anything went wrong, check yer fuses! |
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Post by metman on Apr 2, 2008 0:03:11 GMT
Right, let's bring this threat back into line! I think most people would agree the 92ts is knackered! Like the District Rly B stock-it is not wearing well. Apart from turning all the cars into trailers (!) I think the 92ts are in need of a (mid life?) refurbishment. This would involve stripping down the trains and rebuilding them effectively!
Basically, rebuild the bogies and find a better way of suspending the motors onto the axels (are they nose suspended?). Make sure that the duct tape is not needed! Improve the interiors to be more comfortable and more vandle proof!
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 2, 2008 8:28:13 GMT
I think the 92ts are in need of a (mid life?) refurbishment. This would involve stripping down the trains and rebuilding them effectively! Basically, rebuild the bogies and find a better way of suspending the motors onto the axels (are they nose suspended?). Make sure that the duct tape is not needed! Improve the interiors to be more comfortable and more vandle proof! They would only need to do what they did with the Waterloo & City 92s. They should do something before 2012. |
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Post by metman on Apr 2, 2008 10:31:38 GMT
I think they need more work than the W&C trains. I don't think there's time before the 2012, but you never know.
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 2, 2008 13:12:44 GMT
They should also do something with the ends so they don't have tape, but I don't think anything else would need to be done.
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Post by metman on Apr 2, 2008 13:29:40 GMT
They need work below the solebar!!!
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 2, 2008 14:19:01 GMT
And the Waterloo & City ones didn't?
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Post by Ben on Apr 2, 2008 14:32:47 GMT
If youre talking of refurbishing and reengineering the 1992 tube stock, why not apply that to the stock that has currently the best body construction on the combine *cough* A stock with 3 phase motors running on BT10 bogies, anyone?  |
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Post by a60 on Apr 2, 2008 15:43:14 GMT
Wouldn't have the character, but anything to keep them in service.
Saw 1992-Stock, awful, refurbish them before it's too late.
Say no to S-Stock
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Post by metman on Apr 2, 2008 18:13:50 GMT
The problem with the A stock is they run on 1930s technology! The W&C units are totally different. They may have the problems of the Central stock but run a very light service-they only work a 6 day week!!
I'd love to keep the A stock but its not going to happen! Perhaps the best we (A stock lovers) can hope for is that the S stock is delayed by a few years, and some A stock is preserved so I can show my children what proper trains were like!
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Post by a60 on Apr 2, 2008 19:24:52 GMT
The C-Stock should go first.
A-Stock are solid, very reliable, considering their age.
W&C trains are alright. Central Line trains are very tatty though.
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Post by metman on Apr 2, 2008 19:34:38 GMT
Yes the C stock should go first. The 92ts reliability is a problem-but it would be nice to here what a Central Line expert/driver thinks. I would like to know the main areas to be looked at-bar the tape!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2008 19:56:41 GMT
Using the S stock on the Met initially is a good idea to iron out issues because teething problems with the stock on the Met won't cause problems for other services like a Circle/H&C train failure would. The Met would also allow mileage accumulation to take place far more quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2008 20:31:00 GMT
Any work on the 92 stock will be below solebar... Before the Metronet fiasco, the Mid life refresh was planned for 2008/2009.
They have GOT to do something before East London gears up for the five hoops events.
A stock might use 1930's technology, but, as is PLAINLY obvious, it works...
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Post by metman on Apr 2, 2008 22:21:48 GMT
Don't get me wrong-it does work! It works very well! What is the likelyhood of the 92s getting looked at before the 2012?
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