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Post by superteacher on Dec 2, 2007 23:20:57 GMT
The station also has a reversing siding to the west. When the Central line was updated, it was designed to "aid rapid service recovery" in times of disruption. This involved making all of the sidings / crossovers that were previously operated from local boxes come under the control of one location (Wood Lane). Before the modernisation, places such as Bristish Museum Siding, Bethnal Green crossover etc could only be used when somebody opened up the signal box at that locaiton. The modernisation also included the construction of a 3rd platform at North Acton, trailing crossover wast of Northolt, facing crossover at Queensway, new through loop line at Leytonstone. new through loop line at Woodford and the conversion of the sidings at Debden and Newbury Park into loops to enable easier reversing in both directions. The Central line has so many options for terminating trains short to fill gaps in the opposite service, something the Picc would kill for I'm sure. On the 24th Nov, they just allowed a huge queue of trains to build up, rather than sending some back the other way. I know that there are crew relief issues, but not all of those trains had crew reliefs at White City, that's for sure. The controllers (well some of them) simply don't act quickly enouggh, and with a 24tph service, that is fatal in terms of massive blocking back. During one of the long gaps, there were loads of trains going west while the crowds were building on the eastbound. Solution - turn one at Marble Arch, one at Queensway. Not rocket science is it!
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Post by Oracle on Dec 3, 2007 11:16:49 GMT
The local radio said that the Bakerloo was suspended from Paddington to Elephant because f a broken-down train at Oxford Circus. Thoughts were immediately that at least Paddington reversing was possible, and secondly, why do they not resuscitate Piccadilly Circus NOW?
As regards the Central, on the Auto-Tube Rambler tour of 198X we crossed District-Central, then north of Leytonstone (en route to the loop) ran through what appeared to be long sidings or loops, one at least being on the eastern side. I believe that these may have been stabling sidings, but have now gone?
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Post by edwin on Dec 3, 2007 17:57:34 GMT
The station also has a reversing siding to the west. When the Central line was updated, it was designed to "aid rapid service recovery" in times of disruption. This involved making all of the sidings / crossovers that were previously operated from local boxes come under the control of one location (Wood Lane). Before the modernisation, places such as Bristish Museum Siding, Bethnal Green crossover etc could only be used when somebody opened up the signal box at that locaiton. The modernisation also included the construction of a 3rd platform at North Acton, trailing crossover wast of Northolt, facing crossover at Queensway, new through loop line at Leytonstone. new through loop line at Woodford and the conversion of the sidings at Debden and Newbury Park into loops to enable easier reversing in both directions. The Central line has so many options for terminating trains short to fill gaps in the opposite service, something the Picc would kill for I'm sure. On the 24th Nov, they just allowed a huge queue of trains to build up, rather than sending some back the other way. I know that there are crew relief issues, but not all of those trains had crew reliefs at White City, that's for sure. The controllers (well some of them) simply don't act quickly enouggh, and with a 24tph service, that is fatal in terms of massive blocking back. During one of the long gaps, there were loads of trains going west while the crowds were building on the eastbound. Solution - turn one at Marble Arch, one at Queensway. Not rocket science is it! Logic and LU don't work very well together  |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 3, 2007 22:08:03 GMT
Re: Reply #4- In "Lethal Weapon" for half a point, please? Can't remember if the original, or in Lethal Weapon 2. This should answer your questions . . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUBAR |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2007 10:34:46 GMT
With regards to railtechnician's point about far too much H&S, I am sure that if the tipping out rules at terminal stations were relaxed so that the TO could simply close the doors normally rather than having to walk down the train and use the porter buttons, the Jub (for example) wouldn't block back so badly every evening northbound and more trains could be fitted down the pipe. (The Stanmore 3rd platform should help for that particular example, of course). This is one area where other metro systems (including the DLR) have a much easier time than LU. Well......we used to do that but after someone got killed trying to get out of a train which was going into Liverpool St siding, the rules got changed. Plus, in my experience as a T/op frequently over-carrying passengers into sidings (which inevitably happens if the train is not physically checked) is not pleasant, I know of a few T/ops who were threatened in this situation and you are very vulnerable stuck in a siding with an unknown person(s). It might take a little bit longer, but IMO physically detraining before going into sidings is a necessary precaution for the safety of both passengers and staff. |
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Post by railtechnician on Dec 5, 2007 12:44:41 GMT
Well......we used to do that but after someone got killed trying to get out of a train which was going into Liverpool St siding, the rules got changed. Plus, in my experience as a T/op frequently over-carrying passengers into sidings (which inevitably happens if the train is not physically checked) is not pleasant, I know of a few T/ops who were threatened in this situation and you are very vulnerable stuck in a siding with an unknown person(s). It might take a little bit longer, but IMO physically detraining before going into sidings is a necessary precaution for the safety of both passengers and staff. Surely tipping out time could be cut considerably with new stock, presumably there'll be onboard CCTV for the train operator to monitor each car. Also, if interconnecting doors remain between cars then they could be locked and proved, just like all the other doors, before the train moves. I'm sure that tipping out times in some places must have increased because of the lack of availability of platform staff to assist the train operator. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2007 13:10:32 GMT
Well......we used to do that but after someone got killed trying to get out of a train which was going into Liverpool St siding, the rules got changed. Plus, in my experience as a T/op frequently over-carrying passengers into sidings (which inevitably happens if the train is not physically checked) is not pleasant, I know of a few T/ops who were threatened in this situation and you are very vulnerable stuck in a siding with an unknown person(s). It might take a little bit longer, but IMO physically detraining before going into sidings is a necessary precaution for the safety of both passengers and staff. Surely tipping out time could be cut considerably with new stock, presumably there'll be onboard CCTV for the train operator to monitor each car. Also, if interconnecting doors remain between cars then they could be locked and proved, just like all the other doors, before the train moves. I'm sure that tipping out times in some places must have increased because of the lack of availability of platform staff to assist the train operator. Depends on how good the view of the car is on cctv I suppose. There's always the possibility of someone conked out on the floor out of view. I remember many years ago changing ends on the reception road at Stonebridge Park (when reversing there) to find someone passed out drunk across a set of double doors, face down in his own vomit. I called the controller on my hand portable and was asked "is he breathing driver" - answer "I don't really want to get close enough to find out". Yuk! |
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