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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2006 9:52:13 GMT
I must contact VXC as they are in fundemental breach of the railway code of conduct
@ CSLR
Quite Simply they give it about 20 minutes headway.
1Z01 (the royal train's headcode) is specially programmed in ARS to give it three greens rather than the standard two.
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Post by doubletrigger on Jun 23, 2006 10:11:57 GMT
1Z01 is not exclusively reserved for the Royal Train, I have seen other trains work under this headcode.
Class 9 is now exclusive to International Passenger trains, nothing else will use this headcode type and the two block rule does not apply on Class 9s.
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Post by Phil on Jun 23, 2006 10:14:39 GMT
1Z01 is not exclusively reserved for the Royal Train, I have seen other trains work under this headcode. PLEASE - DON't tell me our esteemed Prime minister managed that one as well: he thinks he's president anyway!!!!!!
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Post by doubletrigger on Jun 23, 2006 10:15:54 GMT
1Z01 is not exclusively reserved for the Royal Train, I have seen other trains work under this headcode. PLEASE - DON't tell me our esteemed Prime minister managed that one as well: he thinks he's president anyway!!!!!! Sounds like something he'd do.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 23, 2006 10:32:33 GMT
Class 9 is now exclusive to International Passenger trains, nothing else will use this headcode type and the two block rule does not apply on Class 9s. The two trains quoted run from the south west of England to Scotland. I presume they are defining Scotland-England as an international journey. However this would of course apply to many other trains, including local stoppers from Newcastle and Carlisle that run north of the border and most of GNER's services.
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Post by doubletrigger on Jun 23, 2006 10:38:32 GMT
I can assure you, all south west to scotland virgin trains services are Class 1, express passenger train, there are no class 9s scheduled to run in Scotland.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 23, 2006 10:40:00 GMT
So where did that 9S headcode come from?
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Post by doubletrigger on Jun 23, 2006 10:43:19 GMT
So where did that 9S headcode come from? Where did you see it?
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Post by Chris M on Jun 23, 2006 11:04:36 GMT
In an email conversation on the South West Rail Gen Forum Yahoo! group. The title of the thread is :FGW "High Speed" and other miscellany from an afternoon at temple meads
The reply came from a chap using the handle "SPT" who works at Bristol Temple Meads
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2006 11:47:06 GMT
I said earlier, don't believe everything you read on the internet. Most Gen Sites have about a 0% accuracy... They're based on rumours.
1Z01 isn't exclusively for the royal train, but ARS is programmed treat all 1Z01s like the royal train.
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Post by doubletrigger on Jun 23, 2006 12:22:39 GMT
The system perfectly recognises Class 9 trains but Virgin only run Class 1s with some Class 2s in passenger service.
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Post by tomnick on Jun 23, 2006 15:34:42 GMT
The introduction of class 9 headcodes for a small number of VXC services seems to have been quite widely reported - it's not just an internet rumour. Read this if you don't believe me. The rulebook was adapted to reflect the fact that class 9 was to become an international passenger train instead of an unfitted goods train, so I don't see why it can't be amended further. And JN - it's not really XC who are breaking any 'code of conduct' that may exist, as it's all done with Network Rail's co-operation, of course! Double blocking on long stretches of plain line - most trains will have a number of sections clear ahead of them, so you've got something better than double blocking as long as there's nothing in front! The same applies in controlled areas, or even AB lines - no doubt the Royal Train will be pathed (with adjustments elsewhere as necessary) so that there'll always be two block sections clear ahead. Of course, it'll all fall apart if something fails in front - you'll not get clear signals then, double blocking or not! The Royal Train appeared round here sometime last year, and a passenger train had to be cancelled (bear in mind that it's largely hourly on the line in question), just to ensure that double blocking could be used - the long block sections causing a problem there.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 23, 2006 15:58:40 GMT
Based on that thread, it seems a very good idea. Also suggested on there was the rejigging of the headcodes for passenger trains. Perhaps Class 1 for express 100mph+ trains, Class 2 for semi-fasts and other sub-100mph trains and Class 3 for suburban/all shacks trains.
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Post by tomnick on Jun 23, 2006 16:13:27 GMT
Wouldn't be a bad idea, given that 3's hardly the most over-used class of train!
Thinking about it though - I'm sure there must be more 1s and 2s every day, than the total of 3 to 0!
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Post by mandgc on Jun 24, 2006 1:14:40 GMT
Priority Trains -
Certain trains have been given priority for years.
Royal Trains- Double Block ( and Sextuple Block in some cases - "Just in case ") Postal Trains - "Must have absolutely clear road" sometimes shown in WTT. Coronation and others- ("Better check with Control, -just in case" ) Etc. etc. ie: Trains that the grapevine says are being investigated to pinpoint constant delays.
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Post by mandgc on Jun 24, 2006 1:24:41 GMT
Royal Trains, (Reply #31)
During the war, and afterwards in Steam Days, the code 'Grove' was for a Special Royal Train conveying the Monarch. 'Deepdene" was, I think, for Other Royals and 'Deeplus' was for the King/Queen travelling privately.
(The Grove and Depedene were the LMS and SR Wartime HQs.)
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Post by silverbaz on Aug 6, 2006 11:03:02 GMT
Virgin CrossCountry are using Class 9 for some trains and I know of 2 Monday to Saturday. There may well be others but these are the 2 that I know about.
SouthBound: 9O18 0733 Dundee to Bournemouth (Mon to Fri) 9O18 0720 Glasgow Central to Bournemouth (Sat) NorthBound: 9S62 1046 Bournemouth to Edinburgh Waverley (Mon to Fri) 9S61 (Time, Origin & Destination not known) (Sat)
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Post by Oracle on Aug 6, 2006 14:10:45 GMT
There has been a lot of discussion on other Forums as whether the Virgin trains are genuinely Class 9 or not, as obviously the Eurostars are. Heated devat, enought to heat up the Bakerloo I think, has resulted.
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