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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2005 21:30:01 GMT
While I was at Ealing Broadway today, admiring King Edward I as it swept through the station on the way to OOC, I noticed that a piece of trackside debris was sitting underneath one of the positive rail splays at the London end of platform 5, and that it was smouldering.
A bystander wanted to hit one of the code destroyers and stop an incoming train from entering the platform, but since the T/Op on that train made no movement to stop the train himself, I asked the person not to do it. When the T/Op of the train in platform 6 changed ends I immediately made the smouldering debris aware to him and pointed out its location, and he said that he would report it.
What is the 'usual' procedure for third parties to report track fires?
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Post by Colin on Dec 15, 2005 11:09:18 GMT
Exactly as you did, inform the first available member of staff.
You could of course call the fire brigade yourself, but that can be frustrating as LUL will then not be aware of the situation, and the fire brigade will not be able to deal with it because of the traction current.
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Post by edb on Dec 15, 2005 12:31:17 GMT
Is that the Big Red Button? Whats the function of these on Non ATO lines? Does it switch off the "juice"? |
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Post by setttt on Dec 15, 2005 12:51:31 GMT
Is that the Big Red Button? It is indeed. Whats the function of these on Non ATO lines? Does it switch off the "juice"? They aren't fitted on non-ATO lines. |
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Post by Colin on Dec 15, 2005 13:10:32 GMT
Does it switch off the "juice"? The code destroyers do just that. It destroys the code that 92ts picks up to run automatically. By destroying it, the train would have to be driven manually at a restricted speed. Traction current is entirely seperate, and is dealt with in the same way on all 12 LUL lines. |
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Post by edb on Dec 15, 2005 18:50:41 GMT
So there are no big red buttons on any other lines (apart from the victoria)
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Post by edb on Dec 15, 2005 18:52:23 GMT
Sorry i just realised what King Edward I was. Duh, where is OOC and how do you find out about such things? (eg where they are running)
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Post by Christopher J on Dec 15, 2005 19:47:09 GMT
OOC (Old Oak Common) is a large depot located near Willesden used by EWS. First Great Western, First Great Western Link, Heathrow Express/Heathrow Connect also use it but are based apart from the EWS complex. See www.trainspots.co.uk/locpage.php?ts_number=304 for more info. how do you find out about such things? (eg where they are running) There are 'gen' groups set up across the internet which post timings and details of different rail workings. Quite a few Gen groups are based on Yahoo! so if you have an account you can sign up to the groups, a good (and very reliable!) group which I would recommend to you is finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/rail-gen/ There is a Gen forum also available on RailUK.org which is updated nearly daily with special/rare workings, see here - railuk.org/mainbox/viewforum.php?f=20&sid=c5ba7d538a7b6c2d130ecf18c3f3c13aI hope that will be of some help. |
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Post by edb on Dec 15, 2005 20:07:23 GMT
Cheers Chap. My girlfriend is going to love the exciting trips to the railwy now!! He he he he.
Cheers
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Post by Tom on Dec 15, 2005 20:25:06 GMT
Does it switch off the "juice"? The code destroyers do just that. That name is one that really bugs me. The correct name is PEP (Platform Emergency Plunger) or ESP (Emergency Stop Plunger) depending on what line you're on. PEP = Victoria Line, ESP = Central Line. |
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Post by edb on Dec 15, 2005 20:29:25 GMT
I Like "big red button" you know whats going on there!
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Post by q8 on Dec 15, 2005 22:02:46 GMT
PEP? ESP?
Sounds like someone with indegestion looking for a ghost.! 'Big Red Button' is a far better name and one the public would remember
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2005 1:05:00 GMT
The code destroyers do just that. That name is one that really bugs me. The correct name is PEP (Platform Emergency Plunger) or ESP (Emergency Stop Plunger) depending on what line you're on. PEP = Victoria Line, ESP = Central Line. Never heard of those acronyms before now. Everyone has always called them 'code destroyers'. On non-ATO lines I think the general term used to describe them is something similar to 'the plunger'. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2005 13:24:23 GMT
the district at tower hill and at bow road has red buttons but these were a way of stopping a train in a emergency as when you hit the button there was a seris of yellow lights just past the station starters called ESL (emergency stop lights) bow road on the e/b still has one in place its in the six foot and looks like a single aspect signal with a diamond plate on it but these do not work any longer but some stations still have the buttons in place
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2005 13:54:47 GMT
So, those 'big red buttons' dont actually work now at Tower Hill / Bow Road?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2005 22:29:30 GMT
the district at tower hill and at bow road has red buttons but these were a way of stopping a train in a emergency as when you hit the button there was a seris of yellow lights just past the station starters called ESL (emergency stop lights) bow road on the e/b still has one in place its in the six foot and looks like a single aspect signal with a diamond plate on it but these do not work any longer but some stations still have the buttons in place A thread in u.t.l. stated that these lights were provided for C stock OPO, to provide an indication for the T/Op to stop the train. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2005 23:32:53 GMT
nope these buttons do not work more at tower hill and bow road
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2005 23:36:51 GMT
So...... how does the public stop the trains in an emergency that maybe the t/op can't see??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2005 0:09:14 GMT
So...... how does the public stop the trains in an emergency that maybe the t/op can't see?? By pulling the passenger emergency alarm? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2005 0:14:57 GMT
So...... how does the public stop the trains in an emergency that maybe the t/op can't see?? If you're standing on the platform you can't - even staff on the platform have no way of stopping the train. It's one of the extra risks of OPO. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2005 4:27:29 GMT
I wonder how long it will take for someone to get dragged before they change all that?
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Post by Chris M on Dec 19, 2005 4:56:07 GMT
On non-ATO lines how would you stop the train?
Prseumably if the train had not passed the starting signal, then you could return it to red and let the trainstop do its thing if needed.
However, if the leading car had already passed the signal how would you inform the driver to stop?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2005 10:42:43 GMT
So...... how does the public stop the trains in an emergency that maybe the t/op can't see?? By pulling the passenger emergency alarm? but, that wouldn't actually stop the train - it would just tell the driver something was wrong.... |
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Post by Colin on Dec 19, 2005 11:10:51 GMT
By pulling the passenger emergency alarm? but, that wouldn't actually stop the train - it would just tell the driver something was wrong.... Wrong........ If a handle is pulled before the train makes it to the six (seven or eight) car marker, the train op will stop the train and treat it as any part of the train being in the platform. We will only continue to the next station if any part of the train is not in a platform. |
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Post by Christopher J on Dec 19, 2005 11:12:43 GMT
but, that wouldn't actually stop the train - it would just tell the driver something was wrong.... It would brake the Train but the T/op has the power to override the brake with the BOD (Brake Override Device) and depending if the Train is still within the car counter marker areas the Train is technically still within the Platform area and the situation can be attended to on the platform, if the Train has passed the markers the T/op has the right to continue on to the next station before attending the situation that caused the PEA to be activated on the Train. EDIT - Posted nearly the same time as Colin's, you're fast but I'll have to be faster when posting next time!!  ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2005 12:29:17 GMT
It would brake the Train but the T/op has the power to override the brake with the BOD (Brake Override Device)
OK....i thought that a PEA (that is what we both mean, isn't it?) couldn't stop the train - merely the driver is informed that something is wrong.
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Post by Colin on Dec 19, 2005 13:07:35 GMT
The brakes do indeed apply when a pass alarm is operated. The driver will be made aware that a handle has caused the application by means of an audio noise (and a visual indication where fitted).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2005 15:32:14 GMT
Oooh - i never knew that
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2005 17:14:58 GMT
I wonder how long it will take for someone to get dragged before they change all that? It's already happened. Holborn, IIRC. A child was dragged and killed. Ultimately it's a small risk that is too expensive to avoid. I wish some of the idiots who try and cram themselves on at the last minute understood that there was that danger, however slight. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2005 17:33:08 GMT
what does IIRC mean?
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