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Post by selbiehouse on Jan 10, 2023 18:24:17 GMT
There's another week long closure during February half-term week. As a driver on the service from Watford to Harrow/Wealdstone and Harrow on the Hill, yes, traffic was awful in Watford at certain times. but we done our best and with a resilient timetable it worked well. Or would have done if there hadn't been emergency road worked just south of Weadstone Station that caused up to an hour's delay to buses! It was taking more than that to get from H&W to HotH and back so some journeys were cut short. I understand there ended up being at least 3 sets of emergency rad works from Harrow to Queens Park which caused considerable delays to other services. whoa, very bad timing for the road works and what a disaster for the passengers Does every journey still matter? |
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Post by Chris M on Jan 10, 2023 21:13:27 GMT
Whether every journey does or doesn't still matter, that is completely irrelevant to the described situation. Line closures like this are planned months or even years in advance and emergency roadworks are, by definition, not planned in advance at all - they are done when the need for them arises. Even if the roadworks were scheduled permission for them (if required, it isn't always) would have been granted by the London Borough of Harrow not TfL. While LB Harrow should have been aware that replacement buses were running there is no guarantee the relevant people in the relevant department were.
Even assuming that the roadworks were planned before the replacement buses were, and those planning the routes were aware of them, there is no guarantee that traffic is responding to them as predicted (e.g. there many be problems off-route causing traffic to divert on to it).
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Post by metman on Jan 10, 2023 23:37:18 GMT
We’ve had 3 sets of emergency road works in Harrow over the last week. It’s not something that was planned it just happened unfortunately. On one of the closures the utility company took it upon themselves to close the road completely without permission!
How does one legislate for that?!
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Post by spsmiler on Jan 11, 2023 17:35:37 GMT
We’ve had 3 sets of emergency road works in Harrow over the last week. It’s not something that was planned it just happened unfortunately. On one of the closures the utility company took it upon themselves to close the road completely without permission! How does one legislate for that?! You hit them where it hurts - large fine and if need be impose unpleasant restrictions on them - even to the point of requiring senior management to stay 'on site' at all times, in the hope that the inconvenience it causes them will get them to complete the works speedily. If they complain that this affects the smooth operating of their business then they should be reminded that this is exactly what they are doing to thousands of otherwise innocent road users who the traffic congestion they are causing are also experiencing similar restrictions on their also legitimate need to travel from a to b, with minimal fuss or delay. I can recall there actually being an occasion when the police forced a utility to reopen a road that was part of a diversionary route for other works when the utility introduced unplanned road closures. This needs to happen more often! |
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Post by roythebus on Jan 12, 2023 13:46:58 GMT
Yep, burst water main meant an emergency road closure.
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Post by roythebus on Jan 12, 2023 13:47:08 GMT
Yep, burst water main meant an emergency road closure.
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Post by jimbo on Jan 25, 2023 4:40:44 GMT
A closure of this section was undertaken between 17 and 23 December, primarily to undertake replacement of rotten wooden sleepers. While the track is owned by Network Rail, this closure was a substantial collaborative effort between our two organisations, with us supplying the engineering trains to carry materials to and from the worksite as well as other specialist track machinery while Network Rail carried out the work. This is the largest such collaboration between the two organisations to date and Network Rail chair, Lord Hendy, visited the site on 22 December and praised the way the two organisations worked together.
As well as the replacement of sleepers, a redundant electrical substation that was in danger of collapse was demolished at Willesden Junction. A further closure is planned during the February half term, from 11 to 19 February, when the renewals
work will continue. The total works planned also include replacement of electrical power supply equipment and improving stations, such as resurfacing platforms, as well as attending to long-term issues such as drainage and guttering.
[TfL Commissioner’s report - February 2023]
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Post by spsmiler on Jan 25, 2023 15:29:44 GMT
I wonder if that means some LU engineering trains travelled north of Harrow & Wealdstone ... even all the way to Watford Junction?
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Post by davidb on Jan 25, 2023 15:50:23 GMT
The February edition of 'Modern Railways' has a 2-page article on the works. It includes a photo of an LU engineering train with battery locos at an unnamed location on the DC lines but it looks to me to be between Kilburn High Road and South Hampstead.
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Post by metman on Jan 25, 2023 19:33:26 GMT
That’s great to hear about a successful partnership between Network Rail and LU. There’s so many negative stories these days it’s good read about a positive one.
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Post by downdc on Feb 15, 2023 19:47:16 GMT
I wonder if that means some LU engineering trains travelled north of Harrow & Wealdstone ... even all the way to Watford Junction? I’ve travelled to and from Euston in daylight hours a few times this week, as well as walking alongside the northern end of the DC lines; there are workmen everywhere and there is work happening just about everywhere! I was reminded of this thread when I went past a pair of LU Battery Loco engineering trains today; spsmiler, they were north of Harrow & Wealdstone… but not by much! If I recall they were around or just beyond the turnback which Bakerloo line trains usually use to reverse. Further up the line there were a few Class 66 locomotives either side of Bushey, and an array of track machines dotted about. |
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Post by londoner on Feb 15, 2023 22:01:29 GMT
In situations where the A409 road between Harrow bus station and Wealdstone is blocked, you can instead take the A404 route up towards North Harrow (served by double decker 183 buses) and make a turn, following the H10 route (single deck bus) into Wealdstone. Alternatively, you can continue further (into North Harrow) and follow the route into Headstone Lane, up Long Elmes and get back onto the A409. This route is taken by the H18 (single deck) and also double decker buses along Long Elmes (e.g. H12). Whilst not ideal, it is "only" about a 10-15 minute walk back up to Harrow and Wealdstone station, all of which is along the main road. Local residents will know the area pretty well, as this part of the A409 is also where the major large supermarkets are located (Lidl and Waitrose) as well as - a bit further along the other way - Salvatorian College and Sacred Heart schools. At least this week, local train services are still also serving Harrow and Wealdstone as well: www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/simple/gb-nr:HRW |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 25, 2023 11:49:52 GMT
A further round of long closures for 2023:
Sat 22 July-Sun 30 July: no Bakerloo Line Queen's Park-Harrow & Wealdstone, no London Overground Euston-Watford Junction
Mon 31 July-Thur 10 August: no Bakerloo Line Stonebridge Park-Harrow & Wealdstone, no London Overground Willesden Junction-Watford Junction
Fri 11 August-Thur 17 August: no Bakerloo Line Queen's Park-Harrow & Wealdstone, no London Overground Euston-Watford Junction
Fri 18 August-Fri 25 August: normal Bakerloo Line, no London Overground Willesden Junction-Watford Junction (extra Bakerloo services to Harrow & Wealdstone 19/20 August)
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Post by tomd on Mar 5, 2023 17:41:29 GMT
Do you happen to know what they're doing during this closure? Nearly a month long on some places!
Mod edit [goldenarrow]: Quote removed. Please be selective about the part of a post you wish to quote rather than the whole post verbatim, particularly if you are replying to the previous post in the thread.
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