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Post by johnbrambling on Oct 17, 2021 18:43:19 GMT
Hallo there. I have just joined the forum and I am hoping to delve into members' memories to help me piece together old gen. First query relates to this photo I took on April 13, 1991 in the late afternoon at London Paddington. 5501 is heading west and the train headcode (is that the correct Underground terminology?) appears to read 221. If a kind person has a WTT from back then I'd appreciate knowing the origin and destination and the time this working would have been passing Padd. Fingers crossed someone can help... Thanks |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2021 19:40:41 GMT
LU uses Set / Train Numbers
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 18, 2021 8:46:49 GMT
[Edited now I realise the photo is linked in] The set number is an identity allocated to a physical train for a full working day (barring swaps arranged because of out-of-course working) so a train with a given identity would have run through Paddington several times - roughly every 90 to 120 minutes for the H&C. (Circle Line trains did not go to Hammersmith until 2009) The current H&C/Circle working Timetable content.tfl.gov.uk/wtt-36-circleandhammersmithandcity-12-september-2021.pdf has no Train 221 (Circle is 200-217, H&C 261-277) but the timetable was very different in 1991. |
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Post by programmes1 on Oct 18, 2021 10:35:49 GMT
Hallo there. I have just joined the forum and I am hoping to delve into members' memories to help me piece together old gen. First query relates to this photo I took on April 13, 1991 in the late afternoon at London Paddington. 5501 is heading west and the train headcode (is that the correct Underground terminology?) appears to read 221. If a kind person has a WTT from back then I'd appreciate knowing the origin and destination and the time this working would have been passing Padd. Fingers crossed someone can help... Thanks Looking at your photo it's going to Hammersmith (H&C) the set number 221 was used then for trains working Hammersmith to Barking and 5501 is the car number which happens to be the very first one. Some trains would be seen running to other destinations perhaps late at night I'm sure someone with more knowledge will come along. |
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Post by alholmes on Oct 19, 2021 0:20:16 GMT
13 April 1991 was a Saturday, and if there were no engineering works that day then train 221 would have operated all day between Hammersmith and Whitechapel. At the time the H&C only operated beyond Whitechapel to and from Barking in peak hours and at start and end of day for stabling at Barking.
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Post by johnbrambling on Oct 19, 2021 12:15:14 GMT
Okay, thank you all for taking the time to reply. I now understand the 'train number' system that is used on the Underground. On the day of my photo, train 221 would have been operating between Whitechapel and Hammersmith. Looking at today's WTT, it takes around 40 minutes to travel Whitechapel to Hammersmith. Assuming back then a ten minute turnaround at each end, 5501 would probably have passed Paddington with a westbound train every 100 minutes. I was at Paddington that day probably between 1600 - 1700. Pinpointing the exact working for 5501 from the WTT would be great if someone has an old one to hand.  |
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Post by programmes1 on Oct 19, 2021 16:16:25 GMT
Okay, thank you all for taking the time to reply. I now understand the 'train number' system that is used on the Underground. On the day of my photo, train 221 would have been operating between Whitechapel and Hammersmith. Looking at today's WTT, it takes around 40 minutes to travel Whitechapel to Hammersmith. Assuming back then a ten minute turnaround at each end, 5501 would probably have passed Paddington with a westbound train every 100 minutes. I was at Paddington that day probably between 1600 - 1700. Pinpointing the exact working for 5501 from the WTT would be great if someone has an old one to hand. When I replied I did not know which day but as someone has said Whitechapel to Hammersmith. 5501 is one of the car numbers the next car would be 6501 with another 2 units if the train was reformed for any reason it would not come back in that particular working (T221) perhaps when it opens check out the working timetables at the museum unless someone comes along who has it. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 19, 2021 16:47:18 GMT
Remember of course we are looking at the rear of the train, it is possible it was reformed at Edgware Road westbound from 221 and the rear number has yet to be changed by the driver?
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Post by graeme186 on Oct 19, 2021 18:51:16 GMT
Okay, thank you all for taking the time to reply. I now understand the 'train number' system that is used on the Underground. On the day of my photo, train 221 would have been operating between Whitechapel and Hammersmith. Looking at today's WTT, it takes around 40 minutes to travel Whitechapel to Hammersmith. Assuming back then a ten minute turnaround at each end, 5501 would probably have passed Paddington with a westbound train every 100 minutes. I was at Paddington that day probably between 1600 - 1700. Pinpointing the exact working for 5501 from the WTT would be great if someone has an old one to hand. WTT02, T221, 16121/2 Whitechapel to Hammersmith calling at Paddington at 1634 and arriving at Hammersmith at 16461/2 forming 1654 back to Whitechapel That is, of course, there was no Timetable Notice operating that weekend due to engineering work or other reason. |
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Post by johnbrambling on Oct 23, 2021 5:42:12 GMT
Thank you very much everyone for your replies.
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