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Post by yerkes on Aug 16, 2021 15:31:30 GMT
Does anyone have this book? If so, what is its scope? I can't find out very much at all about it online. If someone could list the table of contents that would be an enormous help. Thank you.
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Post by zbang on Aug 16, 2021 16:12:49 GMT
Nice book, I'm glad to have it. No time at the moment to copy the ToC.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 16, 2021 16:42:58 GMT
A review in the LURS UndergrounD News 148 April 1974:
Obituary, UN204 December 1978:
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Post by quex on Aug 16, 2021 19:54:29 GMT
The contents:
Preface
I. Introduction
II. Tunnels and Works at Deep Level
III. Improvement of Interchanges and the Combining of Stations
IV. Sub-surface works
V. Reconstruction of Surface Lines
VI. Reconstruction of Stations - Open Lines
VII. Electrification
VIII. Depots and Works
IX. Tracks and Formations
X. Reconstruction of Bridges
XI. Reconstruction of Covered Ways and Other Structures
XII. Development of Land and Space
XIII. Postscript
Also included is an appendix on engineers and contractors.
It's a book I'd recommend if you're in to civils. Lots of specific detail that really makes you appreciate the complexity of some of the work from the 1920s to the 1970s - and the ingenuity needed to overcome that complexity.
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Post by revupminster on Aug 16, 2021 21:28:12 GMT
 book 1 by Robert, on Flickr  book3 by Robert, on Flickr [img src="[/a] ![]() live.st" alt=" "] I have tried to upload an image of the cover, the frontspiece, and a fold out map inside the back cover but I cannot make the images show. I put them on flickr first. Where's the attachments button? The book cost me £3.25 and probably bought at one of the old museum sites, maybe Clapham. I don't remember going to Syon Park. |
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Post by slugabed on Aug 16, 2021 21:32:57 GMT
Well worth having.
I've seen it on-line for not enormous amounts of money.
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Post by revupminster on Aug 18, 2021 6:16:02 GMT
[/a] ![]() live.st" alt=" "] I have tried to upload an image of the cover, the frontspiece, and a fold out map inside the back cover but I cannot make the images show. I put them on flickr first. Where's the attachments button? The book cost me £3.25 and probably bought at one of the old museum sites, maybe Clapham. I don't remember going to Syon Park.[/quote] I've ignored the image button to make this work. |
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Post by Chris L on Aug 18, 2021 7:43:46 GMT
It was published in 1974 which was after Clapham closed.
One of my early jobs was in the London Transport Publicity Office. I was in charge of book and poster sales and had to visit Syon Park regularly. We had lots of copies of the book there. In those days excess stock was stored in the Met milk van.
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Post by DWS on Aug 18, 2021 8:25:19 GMT
It was published in 1974 which was after Clapham closed. One of my early jobs was in the London Transport Publicity Office. I was in charge of book and poster sales and had to visit Syon Park regularly. We had lots of copies of the book there. In those days excess stock was stored in the Met milk van. What was the condition of the books after being stored in Milk Van, I never got to visit Syon Park was it an ideal site to store rolling stock etc after Clapham closed.? |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 18, 2021 9:11:58 GMT
book 1 by Robert, on Flickr book3 by Robert, on Flickr I have tried to upload an image of the cover, the frontspiece, and a fold out map inside the back cover but I cannot make the images show. I put them on flickr first. Where's the attachments button? The book cost me £3.25 and probably bought at one of the old museum sites, maybe Clapham. I don't remember going to Syon Park. Having seen this image, I'm sure I borrowed the book from my local library as a child. Takes me back! |
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Post by Chris L on Aug 18, 2021 9:12:24 GMT
It was published in 1974 which was after Clapham closed. One of my early jobs was in the London Transport Publicity Office. I was in charge of book and poster sales and had to visit Syon Park regularly. We had lots of copies of the book there. In those days excess stock was stored in the Met milk van. What was the condition of the books after being stored in Milk Van, I never got to visit Syon Park was it an ideal site to store rolling stock etc after Clapham closed.? They were fine. Syon Park was a converted potting shed and totally unsuitable for the vehicles. Temperature control is needed for preserving vehicles. Whilst there, one of the buses was renovated at Chiswick by some apprentices. This included straightening the back of the bus. A few days after it returned I was there when there was a loud cracking sound. The curve in the back of the bus had returned. |
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Post by siriami on Aug 18, 2021 9:16:22 GMT
I've just checked my copy of this book - and my edition (the third, I think) doesn't have the fold-out map, unfortunately!
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Post by yerkes on Aug 19, 2021 11:45:41 GMT
Thanks so much for all the helpful replies - very informative indeed. It sounds like a book worth investing in.
I'm glad it also sparked a side conversation about Syon Park!
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Post by jimbo on Aug 19, 2021 11:50:56 GMT
Syon Park was a converted potting shed and totally unsuitable for the vehicles. Temperature control is needed for preserving vehicles. So they moved to a Victorian iron and glass building that had formed part of the Covent Garden flower market! At least it was accessible. I never made it to Syon Park! |
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Post by Chris L on Aug 19, 2021 17:34:02 GMT
Syon Park was a converted potting shed and totally unsuitable for the vehicles. Temperature control is needed for preserving vehicles. So they moved to a Victorian iron and glass building that had formed part of the Covent Garden flower market! At least it was accessible. I never made it to Syon Park! Covent Garden didn't have temperature control at first. It does now after major refurbishment. |
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Post by lazythread on Aug 30, 2021 8:46:17 GMT
Thanks so much for all the helpful replies - very informative indeed. It sounds like a book worth investing in. I'm glad it also sparked a side conversation about Syon Park! I've had my copy since the 70s and it's essential reading.
The descriptions of the CSLR and Central Line tunnel enlargements together with the Aldgate East junction reconstructions are fascinating.
We could do with a "volume 2" to cover the civils undertaken in the last fifty years.
I went to school up the road from Syon Park. I can't remember if I bought my copy there or not.
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Post by abe on Sept 10, 2021 6:44:55 GMT
We could do with a "volume 2" to cover the civils undertaken in the last fifty years.
Take a look at “Building London’s Underground” from Capital Transport. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 10, 2021 7:46:33 GMT
The Museum of British Transport was at 133 Clapham High St, SW4 7SL. It was a tram depot before the war and a bus depot until it closed in 1958. The Museum opened in 1960 but was losing money when it closed in 1973 and was relocated to Syon Park as the London Transport Collection. In 1980 the collection was divided between the National Railway Museum in York and the London Transport Museum in Covent Garden. The Clapham building was used as a bus garage again from 1979 to 1987 before it was demolished and replaced by a Sainsbury’s in 1996.  |
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Post by DWS on Sept 10, 2021 9:17:21 GMT
Was the Rocket loco out side the Clapham Museum, a replica or was it from another museum ?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 10, 2021 10:28:07 GMT
 It was a replica, the original Rocket was on display in the Science Museum from 1862 until 2018, its currently at the National Railway Museum, York Here's a closer view of the Clapham Rocket  |
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Post by miff on Sept 10, 2021 12:14:51 GMT
I remember reading an article by Mike Satow who said this replica, possibly LNWR-built but largely made of wood, fell apart after it was removed from Clapham but a few components were re-used in the working replica he built for the NRM at the time of the 1980 Rainhill 150 events. A minor correction to aslefshrugged - the Clapham collections were separated as soon as the museum closed in 1973 - only the LT collection went to Syon Park and thence to the LT Museum at Covent Garden which opened in 1980. The rest was owned by the National Railway Museum which opened in 1975. |
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