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Post by plunet on May 30, 2021 7:51:22 GMT
Does anyone have any clue what is going on with the Metline this weekend (29/30/31 May).
The service seems to be very random, there is an apparent lack of control room staff that requires a line closure on Sat and Sun evening and Monday daytime, and all going whilst there are big events at Wembley. And even when there is meant to be a normal service it seems to be anything but.
Has anyone got any insight?
Edit: adjusted thread title to refer to summer 2021 rather than a specific weekend at end of May
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Post by a60 on May 30, 2021 9:28:02 GMT
From Chesham it seemed (yesterday morning) to be quite consistent with normal timetable with regards to departure times, but they seem to be running fast. Watford and Uxbridge services seemed far less predictable, however.
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Post by njr001 on May 30, 2021 9:51:27 GMT
Not my experience at Ricky yesterday, Notice in Booking Hall No service between 1130 & 1200 due to lack of Control Room Staff and barriers set to exit only. I returned at about 1220 to travel to Chesham, Chiltern services had been restored but very little information.
Two Northbound trains terminated at Platform 1 and then returned to Baker Street running Fast. At around 1300 the T/OP of the second train returning southbound announced that it he thought there might be a Chesham train in about 20 minutes. At that point I gave up the idea of walking The Chess Valley path from Chesham back to Ricky and left the station.
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Post by plunet on May 30, 2021 10:48:04 GMT
Yeh, there was definitely something going on yesterday morning, Chiltern had to cancel the 1048 and 1118 ex Aylesbury and 1057 and 1127 ex Marylebone.
Oh and I just noticed that I typo'd the subject of the thread to be 2022.... I've reported myself to a mod.
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 30, 2021 11:49:51 GMT
the travel information email sent out on Thursday detailed:
all due to the ongoing issues at Hammersmith Service Control Centre (MET)
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Post by plunet on May 30, 2021 12:45:11 GMT
So what are these "ongoing issues" - is it staff being unavailable due to ill health, or some kind of industrial dispute?
The TfL website seems to be very shy to admit that there is unlikely to be any Met Line service this evening, but station posters state that there will be no service after 1800. Chiltern have cancelled their services and put on bus replacement services. What is the reality? And why is it so hard for TfL communicate?
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Post by MoreToJack on May 30, 2021 12:56:16 GMT
There’s a shortage of service control staff at Hammersmith this weekend, with just a single Service Controller L2 available for large parts of the day (or none at all). This is a repeat of previous instances earlier on in the year, and is due to a variety of factors including Covid-19, training and industrial relations.
A reduced service is running between Baker Street and Uxbridge/Watford/Chesham, with the Chesham services running fast, calling at Wembley.
As the single member of staff also requires a meal break, a complete cessation of service is required with no trains running. This was taken between 1130 and 1200 and 1600 and 1630 yesterday and today; as a result Chiltern and Piccadilly services were suspended over the Met also. Once services resumed an amount of service recovery was required to get trains back on their booked paths.
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Post by njr001 on May 30, 2021 13:43:30 GMT
The most frustrating aspect is the lack of information if there are real problems why can’t TFL be more upfront about the problem. If I had known that the likelihood of a Chesham service was small I wouldn’t have waited 40 minutes on the platform before abandoning my journey.
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Post by plunet on May 30, 2021 14:50:27 GMT
Thanks @moretojack. Most enlightening.
I feel that TfL are making a bit more of a mess than they need to with this - the TfL website contradicts what posters say at stations and Chiltern say on their website which agree with each other. Is that because TfL have been able to improve the control room coverage and posters and Chiltern are now out of date? Most passengers will take a single source of information as the truth and now check elsewhere, and at the moment I have no clue if there will be a service this evening after 1800 ish.
Obviously some planning has gone into this situation as replacement bus services were provided although they were swamped and overcrowded.
Also I have feedback that although the service should resumed after 2030 last night the met service was pretty sparse to non-existant apart from Chiltern who were busy as a result...
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Post by cudsn15 on May 30, 2021 22:06:59 GMT
The whole TFL model is particularly political at the moment - due to the expiration of the government funding deal...I rather fear things are only going to get worse unfortunately.
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Post by MoreToJack on May 31, 2021 10:41:06 GMT
Thanks @moretojack. Most enlightening. I feel that TfL are making a bit more of a mess than they need to with this - the TfL website contradicts what posters say at stations and Chiltern say on their website which agree with each other. Is that because TfL have been able to improve the control room coverage and posters and Chiltern are now out of date? Most passengers will take a single source of information as the truth and now check elsewhere, and at the moment I have no clue if there will be a service this evening after 1800 ish. Obviously some planning has gone into this situation as replacement bus services were provided although they were swamped and overcrowded. Also I have feedback that although the service should resumed after 2030 last night the met service was pretty sparse to non-existant apart from Chiltern who were busy as a result... I can't say I particularly paid any attention to the website... the customer comms at stations echo the information we've had in service control - that is, no services at all over the Met line after 1800 yesterday, with only Chiltern and Piccadilly line trains resuming after 2100. There was never any intention to provide Met line services once night turn coverage was provided (mainly for the reason that by the time you've brought all the trains out, it's pretty much time to start putting them away again!). The coverage issues only became known last week so, whilst some planning has taken place with RRBs, this was very much on an 'emergency' basis, using pre-prepared plans and timetables. I'm sure others can enlighten more on that side of things.
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 31, 2021 11:11:51 GMT
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Post by DWS on May 31, 2021 12:46:47 GMT
There’s a shortage of service control staff at Hammersmith this weekend, with just a single Service Controller L2 available for large parts of the day (or none at all). This is a repeat of previous instances earlier on in the year, and is due to a variety of factors including Covid-19, training and industrial relations. A reduced service is running between Baker Street and Uxbridge/Watford/Chesham, with the Chesham services running fast, calling at Wembley. As the single member of staff also requires a meal break, a complete cessation of service is required with no trains running. This was taken between 1130 and 1200 and 1600 and 1630 yesterday and today; as a result Chiltern and Piccadilly services were suspended over the Met also. Once services resumed an amount of service recovery was required to get trains back on their booked paths. On the Jubilee line the Service Manager had to keep up a license to operate as a Line Controller, so they did time on the control desk, used to refer to it as keeping up “Flying Hours.” Also Line Controllers use to be a higher Control Grade rate of pay, plus they had Relief Line Controllers who could work on any line.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 1, 2021 8:24:00 GMT
There are clearly issues with recruitment due to Covid, but I agree with others that this whole situation could (and should) be handled better.
With regard to the information provided to the public, this has been deteriorating for years, inversely proportional to the number of pointless automated announcements,
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Post by greatcentral on Jun 4, 2021 16:57:42 GMT
And it is all happening again June 5/6 with a Test Match at Lord's albeit at only one third capacity and replacement bus services
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Post by class411 on Jun 5, 2021 10:29:55 GMT
There are clearly issues with recruitment due to Covid, but I agree with others that this whole situation could (and should) be handled better. With regard to the information provided to the public, this has been deteriorating for years, inversely proportional to the number of pointless automated announcements, While in London recently, I asked several people if they found the "This train is being held at a red signal ..." announcements to be useful or reassuring. The universal response was "No.", followed by something along the lines of "I want to know what's actually happening". Admittedly these were all people who were very familiar with London and LU, but it does make you wonder about the so called research that someone at LU used as a basis for implementing these rather pointless announcements.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 5, 2021 10:37:50 GMT
I'd trust the results of large scale professionally-conducted research massively significantly more than a few anecdotes from a small sample of people very familiar with LU - especially given that the target market for the announcements is principally those who are not very familiar with the system.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 5, 2021 11:48:27 GMT
We have had more discussions on this forum about announcements than the number of announcements themselves. Let’s not have this thread derailed by another such discussion.
My reference to announcements was a passing comment, not intended to lead to a discussion.
Back on topic please.
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Post by londoner on Jun 5, 2021 17:35:24 GMT
What is the service pattern going to be on Monday?
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Post by eastlondoner123 on Jun 6, 2021 0:00:24 GMT
What is the service pattern going to be on Monday? If control room staff are available the booked service will run . LUL is a joke relating to the Met, Circle, District and Hammersmith & Sh*ty line, constant weekend non running etc its becoming a joke
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Post by class411 on Jun 6, 2021 9:06:41 GMT
If control room staff are available the booked service will run . LUL is a joke relating to the Met, Circle, District and Hammersmith & Sh*ty line, constant weekend non running etc its becoming a joke I'm sure LU have very good reasons for the incessant closure of the HC & C and parts of the Met at weekends, but it is getting extremely tiresome. It would be good if they had a section of their site where they explained what they are doing when the repeatedly close the lines at weekends for (literally) years. Once you know why they are closing the line it gets much less irritating. I thought that once the resignalling at the western end of the line was complete we would once again get a reliable weekend service, but it actually seems to have got a lot worse recently.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 6, 2021 9:36:06 GMT
It has been discussed elsewhere, but the issues with a lack of control staff at Hammersmith Control Centre are causing various suspensions, especially during evenings and weekends.
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Post by class411 on Jun 6, 2021 10:13:42 GMT
It has been discussed elsewhere, but the issues with a lack of control staff at Hammersmith Control Centre are causing various suspensions, especially during evenings and weekends. I was really thinking more of the recent 'whole weekend / weekend + bank holiday' closures. Or are they also caused by staff shortages? Whatever, I think passengers would really appreciate some insight. 'Covid related staff shortages', or, 'Major infrastructure maintenance', would, I'm sure, be a lot better received than: 'no service'. Also, when we are getting repetitive weekend closures caused by infrastructure work, some idea of the timescale for the disruption would be nice.
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Post by eastlondoner123 on Jun 6, 2021 10:56:20 GMT
It has been discussed elsewhere, but the issues with a lack of control staff at Hammersmith Control Centre are causing various suspensions, especially during evenings and weekends. I was really thinking more of the recent 'whole weekend / weekend + bank holiday' closures. Or are they also caused by staff shortages? Whatever, I think passengers would really appreciate some insight. 'Covid related staff shortages', or, 'Major infrastructure maintenance', would, I'm sure, be a lot better received than: 'no service'. Also, when we are getting repetitive weekend closures caused by infrastructure work, some idea of the timescale for the disruption would be nice. Its becoming a joke, we pay high fares for there joke of a service, staff shortage? why not put jobs out for control room staff, drivers, station staff etc, ive been trying to get onto the tube for the last 10 years, they never advertise for staff!
They need to sort it out they really do, the bus service they do is not fit for purpose, too busy, too crowded, I can see covid levels going up!
They should finish off Cross Fail first before starting on anything new!
That's the problem with TFL they have staff who have no idea how to run a transport system, same like the buses now, no one has a clue how to run it!
And money issues? that's a joke for a start!
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Post by MoreToJack on Jun 6, 2021 17:04:12 GMT
I could give you a really great response, as someone who actually works in the affected department, but the complete assumption of bad faith makes me think otherwise.
Let’s not let facts get in the way of a good rant, eh?
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Post by Tom on Jun 6, 2021 17:09:48 GMT
If you want to rant about the current service, please use this board. Alternatively, you can use the comment section of the Evening Standard where you are more likely to gain a sympathetic response.
Otherwise, let's keep this for discussion about the issues - the answers to everyone's questions (and more) about the current problems can be found elsewhere on the forum.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 6, 2021 17:18:09 GMT
TFL’s communication to the public is poor, granted. However, I think it should be noted that TFL staff work very hard to keep the service running, even more so during the recent difficult times.
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Post by Colin on Jun 6, 2021 17:25:22 GMT
Also, when we are getting repetitive weekend closures caused by infrastructure work, some idea of the timescale for the disruption would be nice. You can always look at the six month ahead closure list on the T fL website.
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Post by dm1 on Jun 6, 2021 21:49:00 GMT
Whilst I can appreciate that these are unusual times and that there is no doubt a good explanation for the ongoing problems, not being able to run the timetabled and advertised service so extensively is something that just shouldn't be happening. The seemingly very poor communication makes it even worse. To put it another way - the more often an unreliable service causes passengers to seek alternative modes of travel (on the met line generally the car), the more likely it is that those alternatives will become permanent. That is not good for TfL, nor for the environment in the long run. You simply can't just not run a service at evenings and weekends without warning and expect the line to remain attractive to passengers. The existence or absence of a good reason for this situation within TfL internally doesn't change that. Therefore whilst I disagree with the tone of eastlondoner123, I can understand the underlying frustration. MoreToJack I would be very interested in that response. It would also be interesting to get an idea of when the control room issues might start to be resolved.
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Post by North End on Jun 6, 2021 22:25:12 GMT
I could give you a really great response, as someone who actually works in the affected department, but the complete assumption of bad faith makes me think otherwise. Let’s not let facts get in the way of a good rant, eh? To be fair, the end user has every right to be aggrieved if the service isn’t being provided, which as we all know has been the case on quite a few occasions recently. There may be good reasons for that, there may not be, but either way it isn’t really the end user’s problem what issues LU are experiencing behind the scenes. One way or other, it isn’t all down to Covid, so LU need to be active, accountable and direct in their handling of this situation, which so far in my view they haven’t been. There’s been issues bubbling away within the affected department for a while. On top of all that, the scanty information isn’t really helping.
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