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Post by quario on Dec 12, 2022 23:49:56 GMT
Looking good. Where'd you find the report? The newest Investment Program Report I can find is the one that ended on June 25.
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Post by jimbo on Dec 13, 2022 1:26:17 GMT
Seems it is not listed yet, but was published for Programmes and Investment Committee meeting on Wednesday 14 December 2022 link here |
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Post by wanstead on Jan 21, 2023 18:29:49 GMT
I had several Bakerloo journeys over the last few days and I noticed a small orange light on a few cars in between the line diagrams which would flash when the doors were opened/closed. Is this a recent modification, or just a result of me not being very observant over the years and looking too hard for a refreshed train?  In addition, one carriage I travelled on today had a different door closing alarm sound, sadly I didn't get a chance to catch the car number. |
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Post by t697 on Jan 21, 2023 18:43:10 GMT
The small orange lamp has been covered in another thread: districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/31100/door-open-lights-inside-trainIt's a repeater of the one on the outside of the car. It assists maintainers checking/adjusting door interlock gaps to see when 'make/break' occurs in the door movement. Saves having another member of staff outside just to observe the external lamp. I don't know about different door close audibles on 72TS, sorry. |
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Post by melikepie on Feb 13, 2023 16:26:57 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 13, 2023 16:35:29 GMT
Have the Bakerloo line trains been refurbished again? No, the same layout as posted in video on 11 November. |
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Post by jimbo on Feb 22, 2023 4:33:07 GMT
TfL Investment programme report Quarter 3 2022/23 (18 September to 10 December 2022) includes:
Bakerloo line (fleet overhaul and LED lighting conversion)
Work has continued on ongoing heavy overhaul activities. There has been some disruption to materials supply, but this is expected to be recovered by the end of the financial year. We have started to install new LED lighting on the 12th train.
The first Bakerloo line train fitted with a wheelchair bay, as well as new grab-poles and floor coverings that comply with the Rail Vehicle Accessibility Regulations. It entered service on 28 October from Stonebridge Park depot. This marked a new milestone for the line as station platform works have also been completed at Paddington and Oxford Circus.
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Post by A60stock on Feb 22, 2023 16:43:59 GMT
It appears that the wheelchair bays are where the sets of traverse seats are, so clearly, these could be removed. Why was this not done on refurbishment in the 90s like was done on the 73ts to make the whole train longitudinal seating only?
What do the new grab poles look like? Are these going to be across every car in every train?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 22, 2023 17:02:51 GMT
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 22, 2023 17:14:37 GMT
It appears that the wheelchair bays are where the sets of traverse seats are, so clearly, these could be removed. Why was this not done on refurbishment in the 90s like was done on the 73ts to make the whole train longitudinal seating only? Because that level of intrusive works could not be justified at the time for what would have been largely ergonomic benefits against what was quite a tight budget. Rail Vehicle Accessibility Regulation (RVAR) compliance is the only reason why this has been carried out now, at considerable cost I would add. |
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Post by d7666 on Feb 22, 2023 17:54:19 GMT
Why was this not done on refurbishment in the 90s like was done on the 73ts to make the whole train longitudinal seating only? One could equally ask why was any stock built without wheelchair bays in the first place. Wheelchairs and other restricted mobility passengers were hardly a new 1990s phenomenon. |
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Post by metman on Feb 22, 2023 21:08:32 GMT
Slight correction it was a bay of longitudinal seats that has been removed from the 45XX trailer. Only the driving motor and uncoupling non driving motors have a bay of transverse between the double doors in those cars.
There is quite a lot of equipment under these and other seats so as already stated it was a complex and expensive task to relocate it. When the refurbishment programme was being drawn up in the late 1980s the budget was very tight and there were several schemes the nearly didn’t go ahead, eg the A stock refurb.
At the same time wheelchair access was a low priority in the 80s and there were very few stations with level access.
The Piccadilly refurb happened much later and was less about providing wheelchair space and more about adding capacity, especially for the Heathrow service. Remember the Piccadilly is a much busier line and the Bakerloo.
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Post by jimbo on Feb 22, 2023 21:51:23 GMT
The PPP promised new Bakerloo trains from 2018! Even after Metronet folded, the DfT funded TfL for a prototype Bakerloo train by 2015. But the takeover of Tube Lines put the Picc at the head of the queue, and we still await the first new train.
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Post by A60stock on Feb 22, 2023 23:26:21 GMT
When the refurbishment programme was being drawn up in the late 1980s the budget was very tight and there were several schemes the nearly didn’t go ahead, eg the A stock refurb.. Sorry I know this is off topic but did I just read that the a stock refurb nearly didn't go ahead?! What on earth would the plan have been?! Keep them at 50 years old in the origin state?! |
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Post by jimbo on Feb 23, 2023 4:45:51 GMT
I know the cost of conversion of A stock for one-person operation was a close-run thing, the 1959/62 tube stock of similar vintage being replaced by new trains.
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Post by metman on Feb 23, 2023 19:50:03 GMT
The draught screen redesign saved the project and allowed the end windows to be added.
It’s hard to say what would have happened. The A stock might have had a refresh and the replacement of non fire rated products minimised where possible.
Anyway that’s all hypothetical, let’s get back on topic….
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Post by jimbo on Mar 27, 2023 18:47:15 GMT
I suppose it is important what isn't in the latest budget milestones for 2023/24, as much as what is in. On the Bakerloo, half of train LED lighting conversions should be completed by July 2023, but no mention of wheelchair provision.
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Post by jimbo on May 9, 2023 20:16:30 GMT
Bakerloo line accessibility adaptions: All planned station works, including the provision of humps and manual ramps, are now complete, with the full fleet of 36 trains due for completion by August 2025. We have also delivered LED lighting on 16 Bakerloo line trains, with further trains due to be completed in 2023/24. [Programmes and Investment Committee - 17 May 2023]
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Post by A60stock on May 10, 2023 13:40:13 GMT
Is there a reason they, (and the 73 stock) are not receiving LED headlamps at the front of the trains? I am pretty sure most other stocks have converted over.
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Post by t697 on May 10, 2023 15:42:01 GMT
Counted about 13 lamps out in one 72TS car this morning. Even if purchase of new fluorescent tubes has stopped because of the coming LED lights, aren't removed ones available for use on as yet unmodified trains?
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Post by influenzyme on Jun 13, 2023 15:16:50 GMT
There are currently 3 bakerloo line units with wheelchair areas, 4534, 4543 and recently 4533, does anyone know when the unit with the PIS displays will be in service or is there no current date
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 26, 2023 15:21:30 GMT
does anyone know when the unit with the PIS displays will be in service or is there no current date Not yet, still undergoing testing:  |
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Post by Chris L on Jun 26, 2023 18:55:49 GMT
Bakerloo line accessibility adaptions: All planned station works, including the provision of humps and manual ramps, are now complete, with the full fleet of 36 trains due for completion by August 2025. We have also delivered LED lighting on 16 Bakerloo line trains, with further trains due to be completed in 2023/24. [Programmes and Investment Committee - 17 May 2023] I assume they mean humps and manual ramps at the stations south of Queen's Park. There were real problems designing a ramp for the stations north of there. There was no room to turn a wheelchair inside the train at the bottom of the ramp. |
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Post by Antje on Jun 27, 2023 1:43:32 GMT
What is causing the scrolling displays not to be on the centre between the windows? Am I missing anything?
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Post by A60stock on Jun 27, 2023 8:52:58 GMT
These should have really have received PIS displays when they were originally refurbished! It was possible with the 73ts so surely could have been done then.
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Post by grumpycat on Jun 27, 2023 10:19:39 GMT
What is causing the scrolling displays not to be on the centre between the windows? Am I missing anything? Frame/pillar I believe |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 27, 2023 10:27:50 GMT
These should have really have received PIS displays when they were originally refurbished! It was possible with the 73ts so surely could have been done then. A, C, 1967TS, 1972TS were refurbished earlier than 1973TS and they didn’t receive displays. |
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Post by A60stock on Jun 27, 2023 10:46:55 GMT
Yes, quite right, I always found this strange given they were only refurbished a few years before the 73ts (in particular the A Stock) but these were the only one to have received them. Was it that the technology developed massively in this time?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 27, 2023 11:03:29 GMT
Certainly developed quickly, looking at the first refurbished 1973TS have larger surrounds than the later ones:   |
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Post by A60stock on Jun 27, 2023 12:00:19 GMT
Never even noticed the fact that there were differences between the surrounds! Not sure I would even be able to tell. Good Spot!
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