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Post by Chris M on Oct 1, 2020 11:48:03 GMT
(after some discussion in the Coronavirus implications thread) Route C was given the name the Victoria Line by Sir John Elliot in a paper on 5 December 1955 to the Metroploitan Section of the Institute of Transport with the caveat unless someone came up with a better name. Well we got Bakerloo ( Baker Street - Water loo) for one tube line, so I suppose Brixtow ( Brixton-Walthams tow) would have been similarly appropriate for what is now known as the Victoria line (or, by some people, Viccy or Viccy-Oria). I believe that one option suggested (and maybe even considered) for today's Victoria line was the Viking line from Vitoria - King's Cross. There is no significant connection between the area served by the line and Vikings though. Regarding Crossrail line 1, the mind boggles with options had the same thinking been used... Crossrow ( Crossrail - Heath row) could perhaps also aptly describe how people feel about the delays during its construction (also on my mind here - 'cross' as in angry and 'row' as in a shouted argument between several people), or Ilwell ( Ilford - Han well) for how people feel because of the protracted construction phase and then how they will (hopefully) feel once it has actually opened! I'm sure Crossrow would be morphed into either Crossbow or Crow. Either would lead themselves to a statue somewhere along the line - in the style of the East Finchley archer for the former and more ornithological for the latter. If a Chelsea-Hackney line ever happens, then names suggested include the obvious Chelney (which I suspect the likes of whistlekiller2000 will disapprove of) and the Kings line from the route including Kings Road Chelsea, King's Cross and Dalston Kingsland. The latter could, by a suitably fawning politician, be easily modified to King's line should our present monarch die before its completion. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 1, 2020 12:22:06 GMT
We have more than enough lines with portmanteau, we really don't need any more*...!
It was a regular chagrin of mine when people tried to call the Edgware Road to Wimbledon service anything other than that...
(*We will forever and always permit Bakerlooisham, because it is a portmanteau of a portmanteau.)
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Post by class411 on Oct 1, 2020 12:51:52 GMT
It was a regular chagrin of mine when people tried to call the Edgware Road to Wimbledon service anything other than that... IIRC 'something other' was a very common nomenclature on here when I first joined. I preferred 'The Wombleware line', myself. When I was a child it was always my ambition to travel end to end on the Onging and Cocklow lines. |
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Post by slugabed on Oct 1, 2020 13:21:25 GMT
Wasn't there a proposal to call what is now the Victoria Line the WalVic (Walthamstow-Victoria) line? Before good sense prevailed?
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Post by John Tuthill on Oct 1, 2020 14:07:36 GMT
Wasn't there a proposal to call what is now the Victoria Line the WalVic (Walthamstow-Victoria) line? Before good sense prevailed? Sounds like a toilet cleaner  |
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Post by quex on Oct 1, 2020 14:25:43 GMT
When the original Great Northern Piccadilly & Brompton Railway opened (and having seen what'd happened to the Baker Street & Waterloo) newspapers asked what the nickname of the new tube would be, coming up with all sorts of unweildy names like "Finsmith". In the end I guess it was a win for simplicity.
Similarly when what became the Northern line was being amalgamated and extended, portmanteau names came up again (among others). "Moreware Line" and even "Eden Line" were brought up! A couple of books with more about this are 'The Hampstead Tube' by Antony Badsey-Ellis and 'Rails through the Clay', though I don't have them to hand to give page numbers unfortunately.
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Post by revupminster on Oct 1, 2020 16:38:31 GMT
The District Line was a shortened version of Metropolitan District which the District had adopted to gain some kudos and investors who believed the two companies were linked.
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Post by bassmike on Oct 1, 2020 19:32:53 GMT
Wasn't there a proposal to call what is now the Victoria Line the WalVic (Walthamstow-Victoria) line? Before good sense prevailed? Sounds like a toilet cleaner Do you mind---I was a toilet cleaner once! |
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Post by John Tuthill on Oct 1, 2020 20:12:20 GMT
Sounds like a toilet cleaner Do you mind---I was a toilet cleaner once! Don't you mean a sanitary operative?  |
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Post by roythebus on Oct 1, 2020 20:54:13 GMT
To quote Chris M If a Chelsea-Hackney line ever happens, then names suggested include the obvious Chelney (which I suspect the likes of whistlekiller2000 will disapprove of) and the Kings line from the route including Kings Road Chelsea, King's Cross and Dalston Kingsland. The latter could, by a suitably fawning politician, be easily modified to King's line should our present monarch die before its completion."
At the current rate of progress we'll have seen off at least 2 monarchs before that's completed.
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Post by philthetube on Oct 1, 2020 21:46:06 GMT
How about the Cockux for the Picc.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 1, 2020 21:51:44 GMT
The District Line was a shortened version of Metropolitan District which the District had adopted to gain some kudos and investors who believed the two companies were linked. They were, originally. The MDR was set up as an arms length company to avoid risking the finances of the "going concern" Met. The intended merger after completion of the District fell through because of the poor financial position of the MDR, laden with debt by the much higher cost of construction compared with the Met itself, and the four board members they had in common resigned from the MDR. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 1, 2020 22:41:57 GMT
There is no significant connection between the area served by the line and Vikings though. . Most of the line falls within the Danelaw, the area of Britain ceded to Danish rule in 886 under the Treaty of Alfred and Guthrum, which included Essex and most of Middlesex. The boundary followed approximately the line of Watling Street (the A5. At the time of its opening in 1967 the Victoria Line was the only one to lie entirely NE of Watling Street |
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 1, 2020 23:23:00 GMT
I wonder if WalVic would also have been a tongue-twister for people who speak German? I ask partly because its my understanding that the pronounce the letters W and V in the opposite way to us English speakers.
I rather liked the term Wimbleware, although it does have a somewhat comical tone. Because of the way its a separate service I see it being given a name of its own as appropriate. Tennis line?
Crossrail 2 might end up being named after a King (I have Charles in mind), as it is unlikely to even start being built until our next Monarch has acceded to the throne.
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Post by revupminster on Oct 2, 2020 6:54:15 GMT
^Like Charles I, I think Crossrail 2 is for the chop! HS2 will use all the "expertise" and electrifying network rail the money.
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Post by stapler on Oct 2, 2020 7:24:11 GMT
The Central Line is surely a misnomer; when it was renamed from the "Central London Line" at least they took our London, which would have been even less appropriate, given that four fifths of it was outside the then county of London. Perhaps it should be the NEW line, north-east to west, even though 120 - 165 years old. Or maybe its richest denizen (lives at Chigwell, business hub at Loughton) would sponsor the Sugar Line?
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Post by brigham on Oct 2, 2020 7:31:31 GMT
...Crossrail 2 might end up being named after a King (I have Charles in mind), as it is unlikely to even start being built until our next Monarch has acceded to the throne. The George line, then. (Assuming Charles becomes Georgivs Septimvs, rather than Carolvs Tertivs). |
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Post by countryman on Oct 2, 2020 7:35:25 GMT
I wonder if WalVic would also have been a tongue-twister for people who speak German? I ask partly because its my understanding that the pronounce the letters W and V in the opposite way to us English speakers. Don't think this is quite true. Germans pronounce Volkswagen as Folksvagen. |
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Post by brigham on Oct 2, 2020 9:54:26 GMT
I wonder if WalVic would also have been a tongue-twister for people who speak German? I ask partly because its my understanding that the pronounce the letters W and V in the opposite way to us English speakers. Don't think this is quite true. Germans pronounce Volkswagen as Folksvagen. ...And 'Fay Vay', in abbreviated form. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 2, 2020 10:09:45 GMT
...Crossrail 2 might end up being named after a King (I have Charles in mind), as it is unlikely to even start being built until our next Monarch has acceded to the throne. The George line, then. (Assuming Charles becomes Georgivs Septimvs, rather than Carolvs Tertivs). The "Georgian Line" has a certain ring to it. Indeed, I think I would have preferred the "Elizabethan Line" for Crossrail. William will probably be William V, but could be Arthur, Philip or Louis (we have arguably had one of each already, as Mary Tudor was considered to be ruling jointly with her husband, and the future Louis VIII of France was briefly recognised as King of England during the troubles at the end of King John's reign, eventually losing out to supporters of John's infant son Henry III) |
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Post by revupminster on Oct 2, 2020 10:47:30 GMT
The Central Line is surely a misnomer; when it was renamed from the "Central London Line" at least they took our London, which would have been even less appropriate, given that four fifths of it was outside the then county of London. Perhaps it should be the NEW line, north-east to west, even though 120 - 165 years old. Or maybe its richest denizen (lives at Chigwell, business hub at Loughton) would sponsor the Sugar Line? To continue naming after people living on the line; I was hoping to call the Central line the Gold(en) Line but will have to make do with the Sullivan Line. |
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Post by castlebar on Oct 2, 2020 12:08:45 GMT
I prefer "Crossrail" which is most logical and easiest for visitors to understand
I cannot understand why people have to fawn favour with various royal individuals and want to name things after them.
We are no longer a feudal society, believe it or not. Some people obviously can't
Naming a new line is not as important as getting on and building the thing
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Post by class411 on Oct 2, 2020 13:14:15 GMT
I prefer "Crossrail" which is most logical and easiest for visitors to understand I cannot understand why people have to fawn favour with various royal individuals and want to name things after them. We are no longer a feudal society, believe it or not. Some people obviously can't It hasn't got anything to do with whether we are feudal or not. QEII happens to have been a very long serving head of state. Perhaps you would prefer the 'Thatcher Line', or the 'Blair Line', or maybe the 'Strictly Come Dancing Line' - they have to be names something, after all? Anyway, it could well be temporary. I wouldn't be at all surprised if, within the next 20 years, we are all travelling on the 'McDonalds', 'Starbucks' and 'Nike' lines. |
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Post by revupminster on Oct 2, 2020 13:16:55 GMT
It will always be Crossrail to me. Jubilee line set the trend. They have not tried to change Thameslink or have they?
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Post by castlebar on Oct 2, 2020 13:23:26 GMT
I cannot comprehend why anybody would suggest or even consider for one nanosecond that I would prefer The Thatcher Line, The Blair Line or The Strictly Come Dancing Line
Frankly that is disingenuous and a bit insulting, as my post clearly says I prefer the name "Crossrail". I have attempted (and obviously failed) to keep this as a serious topic
Please let us not be ridiculous, and read what l have said about my preference. Please don't make stuff up.
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Post by class411 on Oct 2, 2020 13:52:11 GMT
I cannot comprehend why anybody would suggest or even consider for one nanosecond that I would prefer The Thatcher Line, The Blair Line or The Strictly Come Dancing Line Frankly that is disingenuous and a bit insulting, as my post clearly says I prefer the name "Crossrail". I have attempted (and obviously failed) to keep this as a serious topic Please let us not be ridiculous, and read what l have said about my preference. Please don't make stuff up. I wasn't suggesting you would like those names, rather pointing out that you almost certainly wouldn't. I just think that the fact we are not a feudal society has nothing to do with how we name our railway lines. (Although I do agree that positing naming them for monarchs that have not even ascended to the throne would be a bit daft - if it were serious.) FWIW I agree that 'CrossRail' would have been the most sensible option. |
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Post by brigham on Oct 2, 2020 17:00:38 GMT
The problem with CrossRail is that it could equally apply to ANY of the tube lines, with the exception of the Waterloo and City. They ALL cross London.
This was the problem with 'Centigrade' for the temperature scale of that name. The Fahrenheit scale ALSO ran from 0 to 100 degrees.
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Post by phil on Oct 2, 2020 17:27:47 GMT
The District Line was a shortened version of Metropolitan District which the District had adopted to gain some kudos and investors who believed the two companies were linked. The original intention was the two would merge once the circle line was completed - the creation of the Metropolitan District company basically being a way of trying to raise more capital from the markets without bankrupting the original Metropolitan railway company.
It didn't take long for that idea to fade though - because completing the circle was going to be ineradicably expensive the District concentrated on building up its own network first and these efforts morphed the company into its own entity rather than simply a financial chicle to finish the circle.
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Post by brigham on Oct 3, 2020 8:14:03 GMT
And then came the two Tom cats, Watkin and Forbes, eyeing each other warily across the six-foot...
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Post by nickf on Oct 4, 2020 8:29:43 GMT
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Route C was given the name the Victoria Line by Sir John Elliot in a paper on 5 December 1955 to the Metroploitan Section of the Institute of Transport with the caveat unless someone came up with a better name.Well we got Bakerloo (Baker Street - Waterloo) for one tube line, so I suppose Brixtow (Brixton-Walthamstow) would have been similarly appropriate for what is now known as the Victoria line (or, by some people, Viccy or Viccy-Oria).
