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Post by jimbo on Oct 14, 2024 7:18:31 GMT
I believe its got around another year of behind-the-scenes work before it can carry passengers, so the 73ts is safe for a while yet!
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Post by Chris L on Oct 14, 2024 7:27:22 GMT
Apparently a New Tube stock unit has arrived at Dollands Moor yesterday. Unsure if this is 100% true or when the next move into London will commence. judging by the videos on YouTube this morning indeed so. Now the proper countdown has started for the 73s retirement It's now in London.
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Post by Colin on Oct 14, 2024 7:51:26 GMT
I gather it got graffitied in the Clapham area.
This is exactly why we discourage posting information about unusual train movements on this forum!
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Post by grumpycat on Oct 14, 2024 8:01:08 GMT
I gather it got graffitied in the Clapham area. This is exactly why we discourage posting information about unusual train movements on this forum! Exact movements were posted on a Facebook group though is definitely a good rule to have here regarding movements
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 14, 2024 9:08:54 GMT
As the train is now safely at Ruislip: appropriate loco: 66.718 W 48001-47001-46001-45001-42001-41001-40001-39001-38001 E
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Post by pastusobrown on Oct 14, 2024 14:41:44 GMT
3am this morning:
And arrival at West Ruislip:
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Post by davidb on Oct 14, 2024 17:15:36 GMT
Geoff Marshall has just posted a video of a recent visit to the Siemens factory in Goole:
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Post by jetblast787 on Oct 14, 2024 17:56:06 GMT
Probably the fastest she'll ever go this year, if not ever
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 14, 2024 19:46:38 GMT
Whats in all those boxes behind the train?
Was an 'UndergrounD' themed loco planned to be hauling this - or just pure happenstance?
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Post by jimbo on Oct 14, 2024 20:51:22 GMT
Probably the fastest she'll ever go this year, if not ever The longest tube train trip ever? The fleet production from Goole won't travel as far! At last, a tube train through the Channel Tunnel, the biggest tube of all! Why do the pick-up shoe brackets look so involved? Are the shoes pushed onto the live rail?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 14, 2024 21:46:15 GMT
The longest tube train trip ever? The fleet production from Goole won't travel as far! 6-cars of S8 Stock went from Derby to InnoTrans Berlin in 2011, about 200km shorter than Vienna!
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Post by ted672 on Oct 15, 2024 10:13:18 GMT
I can't get the curser below the quote! «rincew1nd: fixed»Whats in all those boxes behind the train? I think the "boxes" were weights which help with braking as the NTfL itself was unbraked.
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Post by grumpycat on Oct 15, 2024 12:15:18 GMT
Sounds extremely light for what it is
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Post by pastusobrown on Oct 15, 2024 12:28:23 GMT
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Post by jimbo on Oct 17, 2024 23:26:13 GMT
I can't get the curser below the quote! «rincew1nd: fixed»Whats in all those boxes behind the train? I think the "boxes" were weights which help with braking as the NTfL itself was unbraked. I think that quite likely. However, the train arriving at Ruislip has only one such wagon next to each loco. Earlier, seen at speed, it has another five wagons before the last loco. Why this uneven loading? Was it because more weight was needed at higher speeds, but would not fit into Ruislip Depot? Or did those five wagons later arrive as a separate train to fit in the depot and deliver fleet spares, consumables and 24ts specialised tools with the first train delivered?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 18, 2024 3:33:10 GMT
The headshunt at West Ruislip LU was not long enough for the initial train and several wagons were detached in Wembley sidings before the shorter train ran at lower speeds to West Ruislip.
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Post by humbug on Oct 18, 2024 8:19:58 GMT
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Post by banburybob on Oct 18, 2024 20:12:34 GMT
Does anyone know if 24 stock set 38071/48071 tested in Germany will come to the UK, or like the original 09 stock 11001-11004 will be scrapped? Noted that 071 was the first train, and 001 was delivered to the UK this past week.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 18, 2024 20:47:04 GMT
It is believed that 38071-48071 was specially renumbered to 38001-48001 for delivery to London, having previously been tested at the Wildenrath test facility.
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Post by jimbo on Oct 18, 2024 21:41:01 GMT
The second train from Vienna is due within the next few months, as number ?? Goole produced trains then arrive at regular intervals, planned to become fortnightly. In a year's time there should be quite a number to launch the public service.
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Post by jimbo on Oct 22, 2024 8:52:49 GMT
So, the first train has arrived in London numbered 38001– 48001. Is this scheme unique on LU? Victoria Line trains start from 11001–11002; the Metropolitan Line trains are numbered from 21001–21002. These are numbered as half-length units, making a train with A and D end cab cars. The new Piccadilly Line trains are formed up as trains, and cannot easily be split. The cars could have been numbered from end to end 31001–39001, but have interestingly been numbered with two cars missing. This can only be so the same numbering system is applied to similar trains later planned for the Central Line with eleven cars. On that basis, starting from 31001, the other end would have been car 41001. So, the numbering scheme requires the end cabs to be 10,000 apart, an innovation for this fleet. On this basis the 38001 car would have been hidden in the middle of the train. The PriestmanGoode conceptual design of 2014 was said to be inspired by 1938 tube stock, hence the 38xxx numbering scheme shown on the images at that time. The interior design used a colour palette inspired by the classic train, but has since been brightened to provide a modern look. Perhaps this numbering is appropriate since those trains were based on the 1935 stock prototypes which were the first tube trains to have equipment confined beneath the floors, and all subsequent tube trains have been modernised versions, until now! The new 2024ts fleet is the first rethink of tube stock layout actually built in almost 90 years. Since the new number system provides for 11-car trains, it appears to be ready to cover the complete Siemens contract if all options are exercised: - The Piccadilly fleet could run 38001 – 38112;
The Bakerloo fleet could follow 38201 – 38278 if the extension to Hayes is done; The Central Line fleet might then follow 38301 – 38413; The Waterloo & City fleet bringing up the rear with 38501 – 38507.
That is the extent of the current Siemens contract, although trains will vary from line to line, and are not intended to be interchangeable. A further contract to replace trains on remaining lines could go to a different manufacturer, but it is unlikely to vary much from the principles established with the Piccadilly Line fleet: light weight, open gangways, double-doorways, air conditioning, etc. It is notable that this numbering system has room to be continued through the complete tube line stock renewals! - Jubilee Line 38601 »;
Northern Line 38701 » and 38801 »; Victoria Line 38901 ».
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Post by 100andthirty on Oct 23, 2024 5:36:06 GMT
Responding to Jimbo's post above,
"A further contract to replace trains on remaining lines could go to a different manufacturer, but it is unlikely to vary much from the principles established with the Piccadilly Line fleet: light weight, open gangways, double-doorways, air conditioning, etc."
I still think the Jubilee line Extension's PEDs provide an intractible interface problem for this concept. Certainly nothing came to mind when the organisation was thinking this through about 15 years ago.
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Post by jimbo on Oct 23, 2024 7:35:26 GMT
..... They are mainly shorter cars being assembled in the shed! Most cars also show a high-level coupling at roof level intended to reduce body roll of the wheel-less cars. Does the roof-level coupling exist at both ends of the intermediate cars? Is there a corresponding fitment on the wheeled cars? Can these be seen in a completed train, or are they contained within the flexible section between cars?
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Post by gefw on Oct 23, 2024 7:53:37 GMT
Responding to Jimbo's post above, "A further contract to replace trains on remaining lines could go to a different manufacturer, but it is unlikely to vary much from the principles established with the Piccadilly Line fleet: light weight, open gangways, double-doorways, air conditioning, etc." I still think the Jubilee line Extension's PEDs provide an intractible interface problem for this concept. Certainly nothing came to mind when the organisation was thinking this through about 15 years ago. Will be interesting how testing and performance of the couplings & stabilisation/dampers of the 24 stock goes - I wouldn't mind betting any future design has at least 1 bogie per car.
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Post by 100andthirty on Oct 23, 2024 11:52:52 GMT
..... They are mainly shorter cars being assembled in the shed! Most cars also show a high-level coupling at roof level intended to reduce body roll of the wheel-less cars. Does the roof-level coupling exist at both ends of the intermediate cars? Is there a corresponding fitment on the wheeled cars? Can these be seen in a completed train, or are they contained within the flexible section between cars? My understanding is that the high level coupling is at one end of the intermediate car.
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Post by jimbo on Oct 23, 2024 20:27:22 GMT
So, I presume the middle motor car in the train is not connected to either adjoining car. That avoids it being subject to double the twisting force, from both ends.
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 23, 2024 20:35:05 GMT
I still think the Jubilee line Extension's PEDs provide an intractible interface problem for this concept. Certainly nothing came to mind when the organisation was thinking this through about 15 years ago. It certainly poses challenges, but the same applies to all other 'urban metro' systems which use platform doors. There are many of these in Asia - it will be interesting to see what they do. Realistically speaking the issue will not become directly relevant here in London for many years and by then there may be experience elsewhere which could help transport planners here in London see an optimal way forwards (or see solutions that did not work as well as had been hoped - so are best avoided).
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Post by jimbo on Oct 23, 2024 20:57:04 GMT
In this listing (p.31/46) of 'shovel-ready' projects from four years back, Jubilee train replacement had jumped the Bakerloo and Central Lines in view of current stock unreliability, and seems to be based on the new Picc trains: "The most transformative would involve buying 73 new, higher-capacity trains to increase capacity by 25 per cent". Had they found a solution by then?
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Post by gefw on Oct 25, 2024 8:33:38 GMT
Any ideas yet when the new train will start Eng hours test running on LUL metals (either on the Picc line or any larger gauge areas) - I guess it has already moved under its own power within Ruislip depot? There are plenty of picc line weekend closures on the 6 mth look ahead - I guess these are for the necessary infrastructure works. The cancellation of Nighttime Engineering hrs is probably only published in the traffic circular (but included in the access planning process)
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Post by Colin on Oct 25, 2024 13:42:06 GMT
I would imagine the test train operators need to get up to speed with stock training first. That training (and their availability in general) will take a back seat at the moment as running the RAT trains is their current focus and priority.
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