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Post by 100andthirty on Dec 20, 2021 11:19:53 GMT
If I'm reading the photos correctly, I think the detrainment device is build into the cab front door similar to the Jubilee line.
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Post by t697 on Dec 20, 2021 12:05:31 GMT
Hope the real thing gets the destination spelling right!! As I understand it there are 3 different font sets for the cab front dot matrix destination display so each destination will use the one allowing it to fit and use the space best.
Northfields has certainly been calculated to fit using the font shown, so I expect and hope it's a mistake.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 20, 2021 13:18:51 GMT
Tunnelling and Underground Construction Academy (TUCA) East London
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Post by Chris L on Dec 20, 2021 16:17:56 GMT
Tunnelling and Underground Construction Academy (TUCA) East London I thought it was going to the Siemens part of Ilford depot.
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Post by jimbo on Dec 20, 2021 17:53:36 GMT
From a driver's point of view that looks ghastly Left handed Traction Brake Controller ..... Wide experience on S stock by now. Leaves right hand free for other tasks.
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Post by fish7373 on Dec 20, 2021 19:27:36 GMT
From a driver's point of view that looks ghastly Left handed Traction Brake Controller Doesn't appear to be much foot=room under the "desk" And it looks like you have to reach over the screens to get to the radio/PA If it is as bad as that photo looks I'd tell Siemens to go back and start again Where is this BTW? 1973 T/stock is Left handed Traction Brake Controller
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 21, 2021 10:50:44 GMT
amazing, looks virtually like the concept drawings. Highly impressive if the actual trains end up looking like this.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 21, 2021 10:54:57 GMT
Tunnelling and Underground Construction Academy (TUCA) East London I thought it was going to the Siemens part of Ilford depot. Isn't that just down the road from the Ilford depot though. Where they normally have 315's and 7 car 345's parked up.
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Post by Chris L on Dec 21, 2021 14:02:09 GMT
I thought it was going to the Siemens part of Ilford depot. Isn't that just down the road from the Ilford depot though. Where they normally have 315's and 7 car 345's parked up. Either side of Ilford station.
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Post by grumpycat on Dec 27, 2021 15:14:22 GMT
How is the first pre production carriage getting along so far?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 25, 2022 18:45:12 GMT
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Post by 100andthirty on Jan 25, 2022 20:37:28 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised that some of this is a leftover from TfL's "have its cake and eat it" desire for a manually driven train suitable for driverless operation with the cab partition removed. That said, it's good this has been discovered now compared with discovering after the trains have been built as has been seen on one or two of the TOCs
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Post by jimbo on Jan 25, 2022 20:53:06 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised that some of this is a leftover from TfL's "have its cake and eat it" desire for a manually driven train suitable for driverless operation with the cab partition removed. That said, it's good this has been discovered now compared with discovering after the trains have been built as has been seen on one or two of the TOCs That could be true, but on the Picc the cab was always to be retained for driver operation west from South Harrow due to mixed train types on the Uxbridge branch preventing platform edge door protection. (This should not be taken as a prompt for overseas examples in such situations to again be mentioned - see upthread).
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 26, 2022 0:21:39 GMT
WTH, shocking and hugely embaressing, why is it that these public bodies always get shafted with contracts from the private sector. The price is seriously staggering, how could they have made such as massive mistake. I also said previously I thought the windows were too small
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Post by nig on Jan 26, 2022 1:43:37 GMT
It's got nothing to do with the size of the windows . The windows Have to be moved in cars with cabs as the cab is going to be further back now . The instructor operator didn't have enough space as all the computer bits were in cabinet in front of them . The changes got approved over 6 months ago so the mock up should be the new design
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Post by brigham on Jan 26, 2022 8:37:12 GMT
"The instructor operator didn't have enough space..."
Poor wee lamb.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jan 26, 2022 15:31:50 GMT
Probably the result of a load of suits who've spent their entire careers in an office deciding the specifications without bothering to consult the people who will actually have to work on the trains and possibly without knowing how training is done or what an IOp is.
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Post by brigham on Jan 29, 2022 15:17:58 GMT
Ah well, what's the odd £34m to a cash-strapped railway?
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Post by dm1 on Jan 29, 2022 15:42:24 GMT
I'm not sure this video has been shared here yet, but it may go some way to explaining how this situation happened.
When the engineers designing the trains don't physically have access or contact with the mock-ups or the people testing them due to covid restrictions, then it was probably inevitable. Video calls only get you so far.
The good news is that this problen has been caught now, before too many of the trains have been built. Otherwise the costs would probably have been much higher.
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Post by Chris M on Jan 30, 2022 1:05:33 GMT
Indeed, things like this are the reasons mockups are built in the first place.
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Post by brigham on Jan 31, 2022 10:05:10 GMT
"The good news is that this problem has been caught now, before too many of the trains have been built. Otherwise the costs would probably have been much higher."
It's unfortunate that this perceived problem has been caught now. £34m could have been saved, less the cost of modifying a small number of driving compartments at Acton Works.
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Post by Chris L on Jan 31, 2022 13:56:23 GMT
"The good news is that this problem has been caught now, before too many of the trains have been built. Otherwise the costs would probably have been much higher." It's unfortunate that this perceived problem has been caught now. £34m could have been saved, less the cost of modifying a small number of driving compartments at Acton Works. Here's hoping the union reps checked the windscreen wipers position.
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Post by jimbo on Jan 31, 2022 18:56:56 GMT
"This has added £34m to the total contract value, taking it to £1·48bn plus VAT." Is that 2% extra?
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Post by 100andthirty on Jan 31, 2022 20:43:01 GMT
That's what I make it........about 2.3%
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Post by jimbo on Feb 1, 2022 2:45:28 GMT
"This has added £34m to the total contract value, taking it to £1·48bn plus VAT." Is that 2% extra? About the cost of two trains!
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Post by brigham on Feb 1, 2022 8:29:14 GMT
Enough to buy an additional two whole trains! (I can play at that game).
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 3, 2022 22:44:16 GMT
I'm not sure this video has been shared here yet, but it may go some way to explaining how this situation happened. When the engineers designing the trains don't physically have access or contact with the mock-ups or the people testing them due to covid restrictions, then it was probably inevitable. Video calls only get you so far. The good news is that this problen has been caught now, before too many of the trains have been built. Otherwise the costs would probably have been much higher. The amount of trains being ordered for the Central and Waterloo & City is very high, is there that much a need for more trains, considering these trains would be of higher passenger capacity.
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Post by jimbo on Feb 3, 2022 23:17:34 GMT
I think the numbers are based on growth projections pre-Covid, and plan to meet demand over the coming 50 years. It is not easy to build a few more trains as required in future years, eg more 1995/96TS for the Jubilee and Northern Lines proved uneconomic. The numbers would provide 36tph end-to-end peak services on the Picc and Central Lines, 33tph on the Bakerloo to Hayes I reckon, and maybe 30tph on the W&C. That would all require future resignalling, for which there is no money now, but then there is no money for the new trains either!
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Post by grumpycat on Mar 21, 2022 15:24:08 GMT
Was sent this in my dms and it looks good. How is the pre production carriage going along aswell?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 21, 2022 16:00:32 GMT
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