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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Oct 22, 2020 16:10:20 GMT
Note to mods, wondered if this should be a new thread, please feel free to create if you wish. If the congestion charge is extended I wonder what would be the effects on public transport, would buses and trains be able to cope, and would fares go up "because the could" as some people would have less options. There are reasons for and against imposing a congestion charge but I think it should be mileage based and not blanket, and this would probably create more revenue for tfl. As per my post earlier this morning, the one above yours, all the stuff about the Congestion Zone (and there was plenty of it) was moved to the 'On Diversion' board here: districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/31839/congestion-zone-discussion?page=2&scrollTo=496850. Obviously, nobody read what I said, or chose to ignore it, and carried on posting about it on this thread, so I've taken the trouble to move the five subsequent posts to their new home as well. I'm not that keen on repeating myself so hopefully, this time, we'll see an improvement.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 23, 2020 8:16:59 GMT
Confirmation that there will be an all-night service on New Year's Eve although if the pubs and bars are closing at 10pm I can't see why we're bothering
I won't be volunteering for that or for Boxing Day working.
When I started working for the Tube one of the things we were told during training was that around a third of passengers were commuters and the majority used the Tube on a less regular basis. While the current focus has been mostly on the fall in commuter numbers the effect of the loss of tourism has been overlooked.
Using figures from VisitBritain TfL have calculated that tourist spending in London will be down £10.9bn this year, £7.4bn from overseas and £3.5bn from domestic tourism. By comparison the estimated losses from commuter spending are just £1.9bn, £1.4bn from commuters living in London and £0.5bn from outside.
We might grumble about tourists but they are big part of London's economy.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 29, 2020 12:36:19 GMT
ASLEF saying that Night Tube will definitely return, talks on a reintroduction date are continuing and we should get an exact date over the next few weeks.
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Post by revupminster on Oct 29, 2020 12:55:41 GMT
^ How can an exact date be given when the night time economy is shut down? Is there a date for theatres reopening. In my area they are planning a pantomime but cases are beginning to rise for the first time despite no change with all the staycationers coming to the coast. Talk of tier 3 by Christmas. Places of Worship can still stay open but given the profile of worshippers I can see them closing.
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Post by brigham on Oct 29, 2020 17:36:26 GMT
Perhaps ASLEF is simply looking for confirmation that the service will return?
It DOES affect their members, after all.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 31, 2020 11:36:08 GMT
A bulletin dated 30 October 2020 has gone up at West Ruislip. Seems this wasn't supposed to be displayed until Monday but an over-enthusiastic manager put it out two days early.
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Post by DWS on Oct 31, 2020 15:01:11 GMT
What would be the point of delaying it to Monday when the notice is dated for Friday the 30 October 2020.
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Post by PiccNT on Oct 31, 2020 16:07:34 GMT
A bulletin dated 30 October 2020 has gone up at West Ruislip. Seems this wasn't supposed to be displayed until Monday but an over-enthusiastic manager put it out two days early. Has a couple of typos but that doesn't mean much as a lot of the notices don't appear to be proof read!
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Post by johnlinford on Oct 31, 2020 20:02:03 GMT
So do we know if the Underground and SSR will still be running on Monday, or is a S114 notice being issued?
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Post by jimbo on Oct 31, 2020 22:09:36 GMT
So do we know if the Underground and SSR will still be running on Monday, or is a S114 notice being issued? Presume with no threats, they must be close to agreement, at least for an interim deal.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Nov 1, 2020 10:08:58 GMT
TfL given £1.8bn for another five months, £905m grant and £95m loan. Negotiations will continue over future funding.
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Nov 1, 2020 15:47:43 GMT
£905m + £95m = £1bn. Where's the remaining 800m coming from?
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 1, 2020 17:57:42 GMT
TfL given £1.8bn for another five months, £905m grant and £95m loan. Negotiations will continue over future funding. Given that there is about to be another near-total lockdown (which will significantly reduce ridership and hence TfL's income) I was expecting some sort of deal from the Government. But this is only a short-term deal, so the can is just being kicked further along the road. I have heard of possibilities that will have changed the financial landscape by the time this deal reaches its expiry date but although they are in the public domain they are not directly relevant to this specific thread so I can not address them here.
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Post by toby on Nov 2, 2020 13:57:41 GMT
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Post by johnlinford on Nov 23, 2020 23:22:15 GMT
A random thought has just occurred - has the maintained service with vasty reduced ridership had a noticeable effect on tunnel and station temperatures, or is the heat from the running of trains itself the bigger impact? And if so will that lack of additional heat in to the clay buffer temperatures down a little for the next year or so?
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Post by goldenarrow on Nov 24, 2020 15:14:20 GMT
A random thought has just occurred - has the maintained service with vasty reduced ridership had a noticeable effect on tunnel and station temperatures, or is the heat from the running of trains itself the bigger impact? And if so will that lack of additional heat in to the clay buffer temperatures down a little for the next year or so? There was a study done in 2007 looking into the affects Tube tunnels had on ambient ground temperatures. It found that 89% of the heat generated came from the trains themselves, 4% from infrastructure and the remaining 7% from passengers. Longevity has been a key factor in why the Tube has warmed up so much over the decades. Even though passengers may have steeply dropped, the network was still running a fairly intense service for part of the day even at the height of the 1st lockdown so heat emissions would still be quite normal.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 8, 2020 17:37:06 GMT
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Post by johnlinford on Dec 11, 2020 10:23:05 GMT
Reports from the Evening Standard based on the TfL Board Meeting that (unsurprisingly) no overnight service on New Year's Eve is confirmed, and (backed by SE1 here) that the Waterloo & City line is targeted with reopening in April next year, but could be re-opened sooner if there is demand. Central line service is being prioritised over the W&C. The Standard claimed this was because they "use the same trains", which isn't quite right but points for trying I suppose...
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Post by sawb on Dec 12, 2020 10:31:28 GMT
MyLondon reporting that some stations could close at weekends, but I personally can't see how this would be justified longer term.
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Post by jimbo on Dec 12, 2020 19:39:38 GMT
MyLondon reporting that some stations could closat weekends, but I personally can't see how this would be justified longer term. An official report said "The initial appraisal indicated that collectively these changes are on the cusp of acceptability in terms of Disbenefit to Cost Saving Ratio (1.8:1). However, this may be because the tools used are better suited to marginal changes to the network, rather than the widescale changes considered here. TfL has indicated that once the full impact and network effects are considered, this package would perform poorly against decision-making criteria."
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Post by johnlinford on Dec 12, 2020 22:33:19 GMT
Given the announcement from Heathrow today it looks like the Terminal 4 loop will be closed even longer than the W&C line - the terminal is closed until the end of next year.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 13, 2020 1:20:34 GMT
Given the announcement from Heathrow today it looks like the Terminal 4 loop will be closed even longer than the W&C line - the terminal is closed until the end of next year. The loop is still in use by trains, running empty from Hatton Cross to allow the timetable to continue and give the same layover time at Terminal 4 station.
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Post by jimbo on Dec 15, 2020 21:20:51 GMT
The December issue of Underground News has a detailed list of station closure times through the past year. It stretches to over a page! Listed is Pimlico, which reminded me that before it opened trains would stop in the normal way before immediately restarting. Traditionally manually driven trains would slow through most platforms if not stopping. I wonder what has happened this past year on the many auto operated lines?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 16, 2020 10:37:14 GMT
A bulletin dated 30 October 2020 has gone up at West Ruislip. Seems this wasn't supposed to be displayed until Monday but an over-enthusiastic manager put it out two days early. Finally confirmation that services will not be operating overnight on New Years Eve
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Post by Chris M on Dec 16, 2020 16:46:30 GMT
When was the last time there wasn't an all-night service for New Year?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 16, 2020 17:22:01 GMT
When was the last time there wasn't an all-night service for New Year? 31 December 2002>1 January 2003
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Post by brigham on Dec 16, 2020 18:20:09 GMT
When was the last time there wasn't an all-night service for New Year? 31 December 2002>1 January 2003 Nothing new there, then.
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Post by sawb on Dec 16, 2020 21:27:55 GMT
When was the last time there wasn't an all-night service for New Year? 31 December 2002>1 January 2003 Was it really that recent? I thought it would have been longer. I'm trying to remember why there was no all night service that year, can anyone remind me please?
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 22, 2020 22:07:16 GMT
Something that I've held back talking about until I had photograph online where it could be included here... I believe that about a third of the escalators on the LU network have been equipped with ultra-violet light handrail sanitisers. I finally got to see this earlier this month, when the November lockdown ended. These photos were taken at Knightsbridge station. London-Escalator-Sanitiser-P1670763London-Escalator-Sanitiser-P1670764
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Post by hobbayne on Dec 23, 2020 10:41:09 GMT
Coverage is starting to be an issue on the Central Line, with several Train Operators tested positive and others shielding yet again. I wonder how long LUL can run a full timetable?
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