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Post by brigham on Sept 25, 2020 7:24:36 GMT
It's difficult to know how old the rolling stock would be in the once-thriving Durham coalfield, because the old stock was replaced by closure, rather than new.
We do have a lot of free parking at stations, though.
Instead of the trains, that is.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 25, 2020 9:31:23 GMT
Surely he'd need support from Haringay, Westminster and Camden Councils first, given they are the boroughs playing host to the biggest NYE events normally? Would they and the Met be prepared to force restaurants and other venues to cancel? How could they do that without causing friction in the community in somewhere like Wood Green? I would be surprised if there are any events in London before Easter 2021, although obviously the relevant deadlines have yet to come along. If pubs and restaurants are closing at 10pm for the next six months then unless there is going to be an exemption for NYE there isn't going to be much point in running Tube services overnight. |
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Post by brigham on Sept 26, 2020 7:16:47 GMT
If the pubs are closing at 10pm, there may be bigger crowds than ever in Trafalgar Square.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 26, 2020 11:30:59 GMT
If the pubs are closing at 10pm, there may be bigger crowds than ever in Trafalgar Square. How many are going to go up West to hang around for two hours after the pubs, clubs and bars close waiting for midnight? If we do run a 24 hour service I suspect it could be very quiet. |
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Post by class411 on Sept 26, 2020 11:44:56 GMT
If the pubs are closing at 10pm, there may be bigger crowds than ever in Trafalgar Square. How many are going to go up West to hang around for two hours after the pubs, clubs and bars close waiting for midnight? If we do run a 24 hour service I suspect it could be very quiet. I have visions of a hard core of people with bottles and cans having a whale of a time at everybody else's expense.  |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 26, 2020 12:04:38 GMT
How many are going to go up West to hang around for two hours after the pubs, clubs and bars close waiting for midnight? If we do run a 24 hour service I suspect it could be very quiet. I have visions of a hard core of people with bottles and cans having a whale of a time at everybody else's expense. They're going to have to bring a good stock of bottles and cans to last from 10pm until midnight, sadly we don't allow wheelbarrows on the Tube... |
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Post by class411 on Sept 26, 2020 12:16:32 GMT
I have visions of a hard core of people with bottles and cans having a whale of a time at everybody else's expense. They're going to have to bring a good stock of bottles and cans to last from 10pm until midnight, sadly we don't allow wheelbarrows on the Tube... They could tip out of the pubs, drunk, at ten. It would then be very easy to keep pretty much legless (or worse) on a single bottle of spirits or four cans of super strength lager. I certainly would not like to be working public transport late that night / early morning I just hope that the police and magistrates come down extremely hard on anyone abusing staff. |
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Post by superteacher on Sept 26, 2020 14:09:07 GMT
In the some of the last 30 posts, there has been lots of general chat about Covid and transport funding, including outside of the London area.
Please think carefully before you post - if the staff reminders continue without being heeded, we may decide to lock the thread for a while.
Covid implications for London’s transport ONLY please.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 27, 2020 6:12:57 GMT
They're going to have to bring a good stock of bottles and cans to last from 10pm until midnight, sadly we don't allow wheelbarrows on the Tube... They could tip out of the pubs, drunk, at ten. It would then be very easy to keep pretty much legless (or worse) on a single bottle of spirits or four cans of super strength lager. I certainly would not like to be working public transport late that night / early morning I just hope that the police and magistrates come down extremely hard on anyone abusing staff. From memory New Year's Eve isn't that bad, usually the gatelines are left open so there's not arguments over Oysters, etc. and most of the drunks are "happy drunks". One change due to Covid is that any train with vomit on it has to be withdrawn from service for deep cleaning, for drivers that means instead of late running due to cleaners having to deal with the mess while the train is on the platform we're having to put trains away early. |
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Post by stapler on Sept 27, 2020 7:17:01 GMT
In the TfL assessments on their website of how busy stations are at particular times of day, does anyone know if the data are taken from pre-Covid surveys, or figures collected during the current and recent situation?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 27, 2020 7:42:41 GMT
In the TfL assessments on their website of how busy stations are at particular times of day, does anyone know if the data are taken from pre-Covid surveys, or figures collected during the current and recent situation? Do you mean this? tfl.gov.uk/status-updates/busiest-times-to-travel#on-this-page-0The clue is "A few of our more popular stations, stops and routes are likely to be busy 05:45-08:15 and 16:00-17:30." Pre-Covid morning peak was 06:30 - 09:30 and evening peak 16:00 - 19:00 so I'm guessing this is the current situation |
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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 27, 2020 9:57:36 GMT
Last night apparently public transport in Liverpool was overwhelmed at 10pm, how did London do?
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Post by davidb on Sept 27, 2020 10:18:39 GMT
Last night apparently public transport in Liverpool was overwhelmed at 10pm, how did London do? Evening Standard journalist Ayesha Hazarika has just tweeted this: |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 27, 2020 11:23:55 GMT
The Central Line didn't seem that much different from before, last night I rode the cushions back from White City (22:44) to Leyton (23:20) and it wasn't too crowded. I didn't notice anyone without a mask or not wearing it properly although admittedly I was reading "The Testaments" by Margaret Atwood so I might not have noticed but no singing, shouting, etc. Maybe I was traveling too late.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 27, 2020 13:30:13 GMT
The Central Line didn't seem that much different from before, last night I rode the cushions back from White City (22:44) to Leyton (23:20) and it wasn't too crowded. I didn't notice anyone without a mask or not wearing it properly although admittedly I was reading "The Testaments" by Margaret Atwood so I might not have noticed but no singing, shouting, etc. Maybe I was traveling too late. Yes, I expect that the large groups of eastbound revellers were all on trains ahead of you. If it was still as windy as it was earlier in the day then very few will have hung around outside more than 20-30 minutes at most. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Sept 30, 2020 10:04:39 GMT
Can we all please limit discussion to "Coronavirus Implications For London's Transport", the title of the thread? There's been a marked increase in deviation towards general COVID discussion and some notably pointed comments from members towards one another as a result. A reminder that OP clearly states, "we DO NOT want to see idle speculation, comment or panic about the medical side of things as they are outside our 'raison d'être'." Therefore, I've moved the more recent posts that fall foul of this to a quarantined area. Then could you change the subject of this thread to something more honest, such as 'Implications of Government pandemic restrictions on TfL'.  |
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Post by alpinejohn on Oct 2, 2020 10:56:05 GMT
Some interesting results after experts carried out tube station sampling which is summed up nicely by "The system is safe" in the title. www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-tube-no-coronavirus-sample-study-a4561141.htmlIf nothing else I guess this shows LUs decision to make regular use of the very expensive but very long lasting Zoono disinfectant on the rolling stock and stations is ensuring that high contact surfaces remain virus free. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 9, 2020 11:52:02 GMT
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 9, 2020 11:54:13 GMT
In other words, just as suspected with the Williams Rail Review, it must be so blatantly damming on Central Government and subsidiary agency decision making that keeping absolutely everyone in the dark including the commissioner is the least damaging option.
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Post by PiccNT on Oct 14, 2020 14:00:46 GMT
On Sunday 16 May 2021, there is an introduction of 5 new working timetables. Metropolitan, C&H and District to do with run-time and associated changes for SMA03.
Piccadilly WTT 59 will be introduced for new run-times. The major change is that the Night Tube service has been removed hence me posting in this section.
Bakerloo WTT47 to address reliability and turnaround time issues.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 18, 2020 7:18:06 GMT
Let’s remember that this is a LONDON Underground forum, so Scotland, Wales or anywhere else in the U.K. are beyond our remit. The congestion charge zone discussion is more relevant, but maybe start a separate thread in “On Diversion” if folk want to go into detail. Thanks all.
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Post by revupminster on Oct 21, 2020 8:30:42 GMT
Back on covid, Transport for London have engaged a private healthcare provider for six months of fast return coronavirus tests for it's train drivers. They have tested just under 700 in two months.
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Post by punkman on Oct 21, 2020 8:48:12 GMT
Back on covid, Transport for London have engaged a private healthcare provider for six months of fast return coronavirus tests for it's train drivers. They have tested just under 700 in two months. My understanding is that it's just instructors who volunteered to restart training who get tested. When you say just under 700 I take that as number of tests rather than necessarily 700 different drivers, as several instructors are being tested on a weekly basis? |
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Post by PiccNT on Oct 21, 2020 8:51:54 GMT
Instructors plus whoever is with us on a weekly basis or if we have someone new within a week, an additional pair of tests required.
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Post by Tom on Oct 21, 2020 11:11:03 GMT
All,
Whilst we appreciate that the latest news in the Financial Times and elsewhere regarding the potential outcomes of the funding crisis are 'on topic' for the forum, playing the political blame game is not.
A number of posts have, therefore, been removed, and others edited, to keep the discussion as neutral as possible whilst still making people's positions clear.
Please remember a few points:
1. Yes, the funding and management of transport services in London are a political football - and it has been like this for nearly a century.
2. Regardless of your political affiliation, this is a place to discuss London Underground and related topics, not the political intricacies of TfL, their predecessors or subsidiaries.
3. This is a difficult time for everyone. So please, more understanding, more civility, and less partisanship. We have more in common than that which divides us.
Now be nice, or we'll consider ending this thread!
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Post by revupminster on Oct 22, 2020 6:16:27 GMT
^ "With great power comes great responsibility" - Uncle Ben, from a huge tome of work written (by Stan Lee) in the 20th century to rival the Bible and Shakespeare.
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Post by stapler on Oct 22, 2020 7:27:53 GMT
Many times over the last fortnight I've heard from Manchester, Liverpool, etc as a symptom of the north-south divide: "and they can get on a bus or the tube for £1.50!"
Will one of the lasting effects of Covid for LT perhaps be that the era of cheap fares, going back 20 years, will come to an end, if this is the received wisdom in Govt?
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Post by brigham on Oct 22, 2020 7:35:54 GMT
The high level of service at low cost is staggering to the average visiting Northerner.
I don't think losing or downgrading that in the name of North-South 'equality'is a good idea, though.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Oct 22, 2020 9:34:48 GMT
All,
Whilst we appreciate that the latest news in the Financial Times and elsewhere regarding the potential outcomes of the funding crisis are 'on topic' for the forum, playing the political blame game is not.
A number of posts have, therefore, been removed, and others edited, to keep the discussion as neutral as possible whilst still making people's positions clear.
Please remember a few points:
1. Yes, the funding and management of transport services in London are a political football - and it has been like this for nearly a century.
2. Regardless of your political affiliation, this is a place to discuss London Underground and related topics, not the political intricacies of TfL, their predecessors or subsidiaries.
3. This is a difficult time for everyone. So please, more understanding, more civility, and less partisanship. We have more in common than that which divides us.
Now be nice, or we'll consider ending this thread! |
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Post by philthetube on Oct 22, 2020 12:26:51 GMT
Note to mods, wondered if this should be a new thread, please feel free to create if you wish.
If the congestion charge is extended I wonder what would be the effects on public transport, would buses and trains be able to cope, and would fares go up "because the could" as some people would have less options.
There are reasons for and against imposing a congestion charge but I think it should be mileage based and not blanket, and this would probably create more revenue for tfl.
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