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Post by North End on May 12, 2020 17:33:45 GMT
unfortunately that is not possible on modern stocks The decision was made, despite union objections that there should not be opening cab windows, as this affects the air conditioning. It can be done if the train is being driven in manual mode. Can it be done on S stock? I believe the answer is no. It’s certainly possible on 95 stock, although as you say it requires the train to be driven manually (which puts 95% of drivers off straight away!). It’s also a little frowned upon, whilst not officially forbidden it’s a bit of a grey area, and certainly having the door open can lead to dirty looks. I gather some lines have local agreements regarding having the instructor’s side door open, however not all lines do.
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Post by Colin on May 12, 2020 17:43:51 GMT
S stock can only be driven in restricted mode with cab doors open.
**it is possible to get full speed with the cab doors open but that involves cutting out safety circuits so cannot be done in passenger service**
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Post by PiccNT on May 12, 2020 17:53:18 GMT
It can be done if the train is being driven in manual mode. Can it be done on S stock? I believe the answer is no. It’s certainly possible on 95 stock, although as you say it requires the train to be driven manually (which puts 95% of drivers off straight away!). It’s also a little frowned upon, whilst not officially forbidden it’s a bit of a grey area, and certainly having the door open can lead to dirty looks. I gather some lines have local agreements regarding having the instructor’s side door open, however not all lines do. We are permitted on the Picc to have our offside door open but not if there is anyone else in the cab. Not likely to have anyone else in the cab for the foreseeable.
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 12, 2020 19:15:24 GMT
It can be done if the train is being driven in manual mode. Can it be done on S stock? I believe the answer is no. It’s certainly possible on 95 stock, although as you say it requires the train to be driven manually (which puts 95% of drivers off straight away!). It’s also a little frowned upon, whilst not officially forbidden it’s a bit of a grey area, and certainly having the door open can lead to dirty looks. I gather some lines have local agreements regarding having the instructor’s side door open, however not all lines do. Maybe its the Alzheimer's but I seem to recall we had all this a few years ago when a Central Line driver was photographed driving with the door open and the photo was sent to the Standard
Our Line Manager (now someone else's problem) told the Standard that it was against the rules and the driver would be disciplined...
...but when management were asked where it said in the Rulebooks we can't drive with the door open lo and behold they couldn't find anything
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Post by Chris W on May 12, 2020 20:25:15 GMT
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Post by hobbayne on May 12, 2020 23:04:09 GMT
Can it be done on S stock? I believe the answer is no. It’s certainly possible on 95 stock, although as you say it requires the train to be driven manually (which puts 95% of drivers off straight away!). It’s also a little frowned upon, whilst not officially forbidden it’s a bit of a grey area, and certainly having the door open can lead to dirty looks. I gather some lines have local agreements regarding having the instructor’s side door open, however not all lines do. Maybe its the Alzheimer's but I seem to recall we had all this a few years ago when a Central Line driver was photographed driving with the door open and the photo was sent to the Standard
Our Line Manager (now someone else's problem) told the Standard that it was against the rules and the driver would be disciplined...
...but when management were asked where it said in the Rulebooks we can't drive with the door open lo and behold they couldn't find anything Yes. I know the driver. All they could get him on was being in CM when he should have been in auto.
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Post by superteacher on May 13, 2020 6:15:12 GMT
Anyway, back on topic please.
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Post by superteacher on May 13, 2020 7:25:47 GMT
Latest idea being talked about on LBC is removing seats from train carriages to enforce social distancing. All this will mean is that passengers will stand near to each other instead!
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 13, 2020 9:00:45 GMT
Timetable Notices now issued (except Waterloo & City) for Lines to resume normal WTTs from Mon 18 May. Heathrow T4 station remains closed.
Night Tube services remain suspended.
On Bank Holiday Monday 25 May, Lines running will operate normal Monday service (Victoria Line closed)
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Post by Chris M on May 13, 2020 9:33:14 GMT
Latest idea being talked about on LBC is removing seats from train carriages to enforce social distancing. All this will mean is that passengers will stand near to each other instead! How are they going to remove the seats with equipment underneath?
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Post by superteacher on May 13, 2020 9:39:05 GMT
Latest idea being talked about on LBC is removing seats from train carriages to enforce social distancing. All this will mean is that passengers will stand near to each other instead! How are they going to remove the seats with equipment underneath? You tell me!
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 13, 2020 10:20:39 GMT
I suspect the suggestion of removing seats has been made by people who have conducted extensive trials with their Hornby set...
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Post by superteacher on May 13, 2020 11:42:47 GMT
I suspect the suggestion of removing seats has been made by people who have conducted extensive trials with their Hornby set... Social distancing - 00 gauge style!
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Post by North End on May 13, 2020 12:21:54 GMT
I suspect the suggestion of removing seats has been made by people who have conducted extensive trials with their Hornby set... Social distancing - 00 gauge style! Surely the idea of removing seats is being taken a little too literally? It would be quite feasible to mark certain seats as out of use, although unless a robust way of doing it is found then they would probably just find themselves used again. We’ve already seen platform seating taken out of use with hazard tape, although this seems to be local initiative rather than laid-down policy. I hear on the grapevine (I’m still on leave) that it looks like there’s going to be an attempt to restore normal timetables from Monday, on some lines at least. It’s fair to say the general view in my neck of the woods is that there’s still nothing like the number of staff required to run the normal timetable without a very high number of cancellations. Unless it’s possible to do a *lot* of juggling between now and then, this will deliver a highly erratic service due to the numbers of trains going out of and in to service as a result of duties being uncovered. It’s rather sad to reflect that TfL doesn’t come out of all this with its head held high, it should have been quite possible to have implemented viable timetable notices by this point. The service has in reality only been kept going thanks to expertise from staff at the front line, the level of support from the back-of-house managerial functions has been literally zero. Going forward some serious questions need to be asked IMO.
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Post by nig on May 13, 2020 13:55:19 GMT
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Post by superteacher on May 13, 2020 15:40:02 GMT
Social distancing - 00 gauge style! Surely the idea of removing seats is being taken a little too literally? It would be quite feasible to mark certain seats as out of use, although unless a robust way of doing it is found then they would probably just find themselves used again. I'm not so sure! They sounded quite serious. I hasten to add, they weren't a transport worker.
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Post by hobbayne on May 13, 2020 15:47:58 GMT
Social distancing - 00 gauge style! Surely the idea of removing seats is being taken a little too literally? It would be quite feasible to mark certain seats as out of use, although unless a robust way of doing it is found then they would probably just find themselves used again. We’ve already seen platform seating taken out of use with hazard tape, although this seems to be local initiative rather than laid-down policy. I hear on the grapevine (I’m still on leave) that it looks like there’s going to be an attempt to restore normal timetables from Monday, on some lines at least. It’s fair to say the general view in my neck of the woods is that there’s still nothing like the number of staff required to run the normal timetable without a very high number of cancellations. Unless it’s possible to do a *lot* of juggling between now and then, this will deliver a highly erratic service due to the numbers of trains going out of and in to service as a result of duties being uncovered. It’s rather sad to reflect that TfL doesn’t come out of all this with its head held high, it should have been quite possible to have implemented viable timetable notices by this point. The service has in reality only been kept going thanks to expertise from staff at the front line, the level of support from the back-of-house managerial functions has been literally zero. Going forward some serious questions need to be asked IMO. Its going to be very difficult to social distance in crew depots given the required number of un-furloughed train ops to run a normal service.
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Post by superteacher on May 13, 2020 17:36:55 GMT
Have they not considered booking on by phone / text?
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Post by North End on May 13, 2020 17:45:56 GMT
Have they not considered booking on by phone / text? Yes I believe some locations are doing it. This isn’t ideal however, as part of the reason for having a face-to-face booking on process is to ensure every person booking on is visually assessed by a supervisor or manager to ensure fitness for duty. Obviously it may be argued that in the current situation we have to make a choice between the lesser of two evils, however booking on by phone is certainly not ideal for that reason.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 20:23:53 GMT
We already book people on remotely and have done for years as we have two locations but only 1 manager on at any one time.
It becomes a more of a pain if doing sickness return to works or any other sort of issue as either we go to them or they come to us, which usually happens.
Yes D&A comes into play with this but they claim you can tell if someone ain't right over the telephone or you rely on someone telling you from that location who is there colleague.
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Post by goldenarrow on May 13, 2020 20:48:06 GMT
I'm still trying to get to grips with signing in via the mobile radio call facility we have in my department. I have to say it got off to a bumpy start, I didn't realise calling in via my headphones meant my sign in command had Elton John playing in the background!
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Post by North End on May 13, 2020 22:01:23 GMT
We already book people on remotely and have done for years as we have two locations but only 1 manager on at any one time. It becomes a more of a pain if doing sickness return to works or any other sort of issue as either we go to them or they come to us, which usually happens. Yes D&A comes into play with this but they claim you can tell if someone ain't right over the telephone or you rely on someone telling you from that location who is there colleague. Three words - Eltham Well Hall... It’s a particular issue with drivers as once they’re on their trains it’s quite possible no one will see them closely for the remainder of the shift. There’s been at least two cases in the last few years of LU drivers intoxicated on duty - one who got as far as being on the train (well publicised) and another who was identified at booking on.
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Post by Chris M on May 13, 2020 22:37:16 GMT
It's not just D&A but also physical and mental well-being. I think it was in a discussion about mainline drivers, but one person recalled seeing someone booking on for work who didn't quite seem right somehow and asked them if everything was OK, it turns out that his partner had kicked him out the house about a week ago and he was only barely holding himself together through all the stress of it, the simple question opened the floodgates to the emotions and showed he really was in no fit state to drive a shopping trolley let alone a train.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on May 13, 2020 22:51:34 GMT
I'm still trying to get to grips with signing in via the mobile radio call facility we have in my department. I have to say it got off to a bumpy start, I didn't realise calling in via my headphones meant my sign in command had Elton John playing in the background! If you'd signed in at my company with Elton John playing in the backround you'd have been fired......
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Post by Colin on May 14, 2020 8:04:47 GMT
Getting back on topic, we’ve officially been told the District line will be reverting to its normal working timetable from Monday. But only on weekdays - we’ll continue with our current arrangements at weekends.
Whether or not we have the driver availability across the line to run it I don’t know; nor am I going to speculate on whether health & safety objections will poo poo it.
I believe all other lines are planned to also revert to their full working timetables from Monday.
I’m just stating what is planned by senior management and am not getting involved in the politics or whatever around the combine.
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Post by PiccNT on May 14, 2020 8:49:29 GMT
Getting back on topic, we’ve officially been told the District line will be reverting to its normal working timetable from Monday. But only on weekdays - we’ll continue with our current arrangements at weekends. Whether or not we have the driver availability across the line to run it I don’t know; nor am I going to speculate on whether health & safety objections will poo poo it. I believe all other lines are planned to also revert to their full working timetables from Monday. I’m just stating what is planned by senior management and am not getting involved in the politics or whatever around the combine. That certainly applies to the Picc although I haven't heard about the weekend as yet. I've also heard that night tube drivers are being asked if they want to be seconded to full time so this could possibly be the end of night tube for the foreseeable. As Colin stated, this is the plan, it's a long time between now and Monday and any number of decisions can be taken and reversed in that time!
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 14, 2020 9:15:12 GMT
Sadiq Khan on LBC saying that if the government don't come up with a bailout today services will have to be cut.
Also that TfL, the TOCs, other local transport authorities and even the DfT were told that lockdown would be relaxed 18 May. Khan was told that it would be this week a couple of hours before Boris made his announcement on Sunday
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Post by superteacher on May 14, 2020 9:42:00 GMT
Sadiq Khan on LBC saying that if the government don't come up with a bailout today services will have to be cut. This has been rumbling for a while now. Despite the advice to avoid using public transport where possible, there is no way that London could cope without it, even with the current reduced level of demand.
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 14, 2020 9:43:03 GMT
Sadiq Khan on LBC saying that if the government don't come up with a bailout today services will have to be cut. This has been rumbling for a while now. Despite the advice to avoid using public transport where possible, there is no way that London could cope without it, even with the current reduced level of demand. Negotiations have been ongoing for 6-7 weeks
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Post by sawb on May 14, 2020 10:08:48 GMT
Sadiq Khan on LBC saying that if the government don't come up with a bailout today services will have to be cut. Also that TfL, the TOCs, other local transport authorities and even the DfT were told that lockdown would be relaxed 18 May. Khan was told that it would be this week a couple of hours before Boris made his announcement on Sunday Yes, 18th May has been known about for some time, one of a number of announcements which leaked out publicly several weeks ago, including that schools will re-open on 1st June.
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