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Post by whistlekiller2000 on May 5, 2020 7:08:36 GMT
This thread is limited to the effects of the virus on London's transport, not people's opinions on the rights or wrongs of a system in another country. Please stay on topic. Ta.
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Post by Colin on May 5, 2020 9:08:38 GMT
Was my first day back after two weeks annual leave today.
Main change I noticed was every platform now has the blue spacing dots - even the closed stations.
At the usual suspect platforms (Elm Park, Dagenham Heathway and East Ham) the blue spots are pointless as they were blatantly being ignored. To be fair, with the lack of social distancing/crowding going on one couldn't see them anyway. They do have a positive effect at other places though - notably Victoria which although has been very quiet these last few weeks, this morning everyone was obeying the blue dots to such great effect that they were all a good three feet back from the platform edge. It's almost a better soloution than platform edge doors!
There are now various plans being worked on to ramp the service up - it seems everyone is gearing up for Boris's announcement on Sunday with the expectation of the lockdown being eased. Personally I hope it isn't done as quickly as LU seem to be planning for but time will of course reveal all.
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Post by goldenarrow on May 5, 2020 15:46:58 GMT
Very conflicting tone from todays virtual meetings with reps from various transport modes and authorities concerning LHR. Everybody seems to be holding their breath for an announcement and the inevitable "intensification of demand driven resources" and yet the furloughing of operational staff away from the airport supply chain has in several instances been extended till the end of this month. I have a feeling that Sunday's announcement will be that the government has established a plan, which would be a first... On a different note, I noticed that some VA ground staff reacted very quickly to the news that beardy is shutting shop at Gatwick.
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Post by Colin on May 6, 2020 6:42:48 GMT
District line change from today.....
We are now running to both Olympia and Wimbledon from Upminster.
Ealing trains continue to run to Tower Hill and Richmond trains continue to run to High Street Kensington.
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Post by rincew1nd on May 6, 2020 18:05:14 GMT
On a different note, I noticed that some VA ground staff reacted very quickly to the news that beardy is shutting shop at Gatwick. I like the message on the engine cover (if viewing on a mobile device zoom in).
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 6, 2020 18:48:15 GMT
We have just been told that from 17 May we will be back to our normal duty rosters (WTT70) but we will still be running "emergency service".
The suspicion is that they'll be looking to reintroduce "full" service either from 24 or 31 May.
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Post by superteacher on May 6, 2020 18:58:01 GMT
We have just been told that from 17 May we will be back to our normal duty rosters (WTT70) but we will still be running "emergency service". The suspicion is that they'll be looking to reintroduce "full" service either from 24 or 31 May. When was the last time they ran a truly “full” service? 😵
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Post by jimini on May 6, 2020 19:45:38 GMT
Not a response to the previous two posts but just an anectodal observation from today's travels from me -- it does feel like the central line could do with more than 6tph at key times of the day, especially through the central section. I travelled from Oxford Circus to South Woodford at just after 1800 and social distancing was nigh on impossible, particularly from Holborn through to Leytonstone. The Bakerloo line by comparison (Padd to Oxford Circus) was empty!
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Post by hobbayne on May 6, 2020 20:28:02 GMT
Not a response to the previous two posts but just an anectodal observation from today's travels from me -- it does feel like the central line could do with more than 6tph at key times of the day, especially through the central section. I travelled from Oxford Circus to South Woodford at just after 1800 and social distancing was nigh on impossible, particularly from Holborn through to Leytonstone. The Bakerloo line by comparison (Padd to Oxford Circus) was empty! I wonder how many of them were key workers? I keep seeing groups of teenagers on bikes and kids on skateboards roaming the east end of the central.
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Post by spsmiler on May 6, 2020 21:46:57 GMT
We have just been told that from 17 May we will be back to our normal duty rosters (WTT70) but we will still be running "emergency service". The suspicion is that they'll be looking to reintroduce "full" service either from 24 or 31 May. I suppose that means that Olympia will soon revert back to its very limited service Apart from when S stock trains were first introduced, this emergency virus service must be the first time for many years when regular daily service through from the east of London came to Olympia.
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Post by PiccNT on May 6, 2020 22:47:44 GMT
We have just been told that from 17 May we will be back to our normal duty rosters (WTT70) but we will still be running "emergency service". The suspicion is that they'll be looking to reintroduce "full" service either from 24 or 31 May. Normal WTT duty times? That will be interesting. Even more interesting when they try to introduce the service with half the staff furloughed or missing for whatever reason. Plenty of "no relief driver, stick it in the yard"! I'm back from annual leave on the 18th so I'll look forward to some chaotic scenes.
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 7, 2020 10:14:15 GMT
We have just been told that from 17 May we will be back to our normal duty rosters (WTT70) but we will still be running "emergency service". The suspicion is that they'll be looking to reintroduce "full" service either from 24 or 31 May. Normal WTT duty times? That will be interesting. Even more interesting when they try to introduce the service with half the staff furloughed or missing for whatever reason. Plenty of "no relief driver, stick it in the yard"! I'm back from annual leave on the 18th so I'll look forward to some chaotic scenes. As far as I'm aware none of the TOps off at the moment have been "furloughed" as they would have to be "unfurloughed" (is that a word?), creating unnecessary delays before they could return to work
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 7, 2020 10:15:33 GMT
We have just been told that from 17 May we will be back to our normal duty rosters (WTT70) but we will still be running "emergency service". The suspicion is that they'll be looking to reintroduce "full" service either from 24 or 31 May. When was the last time they ran a truly “full” service? 😵 February?
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Post by superteacher on May 7, 2020 12:00:13 GMT
When was the last time they ran a truly “full” service? 😵 February? And even then, could that be called a full service with the daily cancellations?
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Post by Colin on May 7, 2020 12:48:16 GMT
Normal WTT duty times? That will be interesting. Even more interesting when they try to introduce the service with half the staff furloughed or missing for whatever reason. Plenty of "no relief driver, stick it in the yard"! I'm back from annual leave on the 18th so I'll look forward to some chaotic scenes. Each depot / line is different so whilst that might be true in your neck of the woods, it's not neccessarily true in mine. We started running to Wimbledon from Upminster yesterday, as well as continuing the Olympia service we've run since this all started (albeit at a slightly reduced frequency). We've gone from 6 tph to 8 tph (4tph each to Wimbledon & Olympia) giving a train every 7 or 8 minutes compared to every 10 minutes previously. We don't know why we've suddenly had our workload increased - especially as we were already running more trains than any other depot on the line despite not even being the largest depot on the line - but our suspicion is it's because our depot's attendance and thus driver availability figures have hardly changed since this all started. We were even covering for Barking yesterday and they're only responsible for three of the east end trains! Now take somewhere like Seven Sisters where I gather 70 drivers were absent at one point and there's clearly a different set of circumstances to deal with / overcome. Why have we been successful in maintaing our numbers at Upminster? I suspect its down to the way we've been able to successfuly implement and manage social distancing around the depot and avoid the need for live driver changeovers because we pick up and get off all of our trains at Upminster (so for example when picking up a train, the last time anyone was in that cab was an hour previously - anything in the air say from a driver sneezing or coughing will have settled in an hour). Mind you, because we are happy with the current arrangemnts there is a fear that all our goodwill will fly out the window if more intense timetables requiring live changeovers in the same cab at Barking or Earls Court are brought in too quickly. There are certainly concerns being expressed that those making decisions about increasing service levels are doing so from the comfort of their homes rather than through any understanding of whats going on at the coal face. A case of watch this space? Definately!! EDIT: BTW, it was noticably quieter on the District line this morning - social distancing showed an improvement by going from impossible to challenging at the east of the line. And now that we go to Wimbledon I'm able to make some kind of comparison with the west end of the line. I left Wimbledon around 7.30am and it was dead as a Dodo. I picked up about 30 people between Wimbledon Park and Earls Court - and that was with a ten minute road as I know what time the train in front of me left Wimbledon. The contrast with the east end of the line couldn't be more stark! Even more impressive though was my second train (an Olympia trip this time) - I was able to count the total number of passengers from Earls Court to Upminster.......26 Bit late in the day but finally I've seen some evidence of this 95% dip in passenger numbers that keeps being claimed! 2nd EDIT: Also perhaps worth adding is the industrial relations level at particular locations - sadly that is also likely playing its part.....
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Post by North End on May 7, 2020 19:02:12 GMT
Normal WTT duty times? That will be interesting. Even more interesting when they try to introduce the service with half the staff furloughed or missing for whatever reason. Plenty of "no relief driver, stick it in the yard"! I'm back from annual leave on the 18th so I'll look forward to some chaotic scenes. Each depot / line is different so whilst that might be true in your neck of the woods, it's not neccessarily true in mine. We started running to Wimbledon from Upminster yesterday, as well as continuing the Olympia service we've run since this all started (albeit at a slightly reduced frequency). We've gone from 6 tph to 8 tph (4tph each to Wimbledon & Olympia) giving a train every 7 or 8 minutes compared to every 10 minutes previously. We don't know why we've suddenly had our workload increased - especially as we were already running more trains than any other depot on the line despite not even being the largest depot on the line - but our suspicion is it's because our depot's attendance and thus driver availability figures have hardly changed since this all started. We were even covering for Barking yesterday and they're only responsible for three of the east end trains! Now take somewhere like Seven Sisters where I gather 70 drivers were absent at one point and there's clearly a different set of circumstances to deal with / overcome. Why have we been successful in maintaing our numbers at Upminster? I suspect its down to the way we've been able to successfuly implement and manage social distancing around the depot and avoid the need for live driver changeovers because we pick up and get off all of our trains at Upminster (so for example when picking up a train, the last time anyone was in that cab was an hour previously - anything in the air say from a driver sneezing or coughing will have settled in an hour). Mind you, because we are happy with the current arrangemnts there is a fear that all our goodwill will fly out the window if more intense timetables requiring live changeovers in the same cab at Barking or Earls Court are brought in too quickly. There are certainly concerns being expressed that those making decisions about increasing service levels are doing so from the comfort of their homes rather than through any understanding of whats going on at the coal face. A case of watch this space? Definately!! EDIT: BTW, it was noticably quieter on the District line this morning - social distancing showed an improvement by going from impossible to challenging at the east of the line. And now that we go to Wimbledon I'm able to make some kind of comparison with the west end of the line. I left Wimbledon around 7.30am and it was dead as a Dodo. I picked up about 30 people between Wimbledon Park and Earls Court - and that was with a ten minute road as I know what time the train in front of me left Wimbledon. The contrast with the east end of the line couldn't be more stark! Even more impressive though was my second train (an Olympia trip this time) - I was able to count the total number of passengers from Earls Court to Upminster.......26 Bit late in the day but finally I've seen some evidence of this 95% dip in passenger numbers that keeps being claimed! 2nd EDIT: Also perhaps worth adding is the industrial relations level at particular locations - sadly that is also likely playing its part..... Point very well made about things varying between location. One of the Northern’s depots it’s fair to say was struggling immensely to make things work well to everyone’s satisfaction, but after sitting down with the union reps they seem to have thrashed out a solution that’s keeping the peace for the time being. Had LU as a whole been prepared to do this then we might just have seen the temporary timetables become reality!
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 7, 2020 19:07:53 GMT
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Post by Tom on May 7, 2020 22:15:32 GMT
And now that we go to Wimbledon I'm able to make some kind of comparison with the west end of the line. I left Wimbledon around 7.30am and it was dead as a Dodo. I picked up about 30 people between Wimbledon Park and Earls Court - and that was with a ten minute road as I know what time the train in front of me left Wimbledon. The contrast with the east end of the line couldn't be more stark! I wonder if that's a reflection of the social demographic in the area - with Wimbledon being generally ABC1 (solidly middle-class, office jobs, able to work from home or travel by car) and the East End being C2DE (working class, manual workers, reliant on public transport) - with the notable exception that Upminster is probably more ABC1 than C2DE?
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Post by Tom on May 7, 2020 22:19:30 GMT
As far as I'm aware none of the TOps off at the moment have been "furloughed" as they would have to be "unfurloughed" (is that a word?), creating unnecessary delays before they could return to work I thought Train Operators and other operational staff who were shielding for twelve weeks have been furloughed? Apparently once someone has been initially fuloughed they have to remain off for the minimum three weeks, however after three weeks they can be recalled to work at short notice, possibly 24 hours. Naturally this may not necessarily work for Train Operators.
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Post by jimini on May 8, 2020 11:05:59 GMT
<<snip>> Bit late in the day but finally I've seen some evidence of this 95% dip in passenger numbers that keeps being claimed! I took a few more phone snaps on my way across town again this week. Link here. The one of Paddington at just after 6pm on Wednesday is particularly eerie! London Paddington by Jim G, on Flickr
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Post by Tom on May 8, 2020 12:14:23 GMT
Keep it on topic please. Whilst public services are always a political hot topic, this thread (and this forum) isn't about politics.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on May 9, 2020 3:55:30 GMT
Keep it on topic please. Whilst public services are always a political hot topic, this thread (and this forum) isn't about politics. Indeed Tom, and following on from my post on this thread dated April 17th where everybody was warned to expect post deletions if political comment continued, that's exactly what I've done. Rule 3a. Please read it again. Many thanks.
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Post by theblackferret on May 9, 2020 12:25:09 GMT
Keep it on topic please. Whilst public services are always a political hot topic, this thread (and this forum) isn't about politics. Indeed Tom, and following on from my post on this thread dated April 17th where everybody was warned to expect post deletions if political comment continued, that's exactly what I've done. Rule 3a. Please read it again. Many thanks.There's a place for political discussions on this topic & many other aspects of TfL/Transport generally. In fact, there's two-Twitter & Facebook. Both very useful in their own ways, friends, and both give our mods less work than they should be encumbered with in these trying times.
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Post by Red Dragon on May 9, 2020 13:12:00 GMT
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Post by superteacher on May 9, 2020 14:04:08 GMT
Indeed Tom, and following on from my post on this thread dated April 17th where everybody was warned to expect post deletions if political comment continued, that's exactly what I've done. Rule 3a. Please read it again. Many thanks. There's a place for political discussions on this topic & many other aspects of TfL/Transport generally. In fact, there's two-Twitter & Facebook. Both very useful in their own ways, friends, and both give our mods less work than they should be encumbered with in these trying times. Thanks. We accept that politics and transport can be closely intertwined, and it’s sometimes relevant because political decisions impact upon the transport industry.
However, it’s the singling out of individual politicians and the passing on / furthering of members’ own opinions or agendas which breaks the rules of our forum.
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Post by spsmiler on May 10, 2020 9:18:22 GMT
I took a few more phone snaps on my way across town again this week. Link here. The one of Paddington at just after 6pm on Wednesday is particularly eerie! Ghost town Spooky! Reminds me of the Hainault Woodford branch when I was filming there in the evening rush hour in the 1990s - the only time I saw anyone was when a train came in to disgorge homeward-bound passengers!
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Post by jimbo on May 10, 2020 11:36:44 GMT
From Saturday 9th May 2020 published station closures increased from 37 to 38, with Heathrow Terminal 4 closing from the start of traffic until further notice. Are trains working through without stopping, or are they all diverted to Terminal 5 now?
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 10, 2020 11:41:53 GMT
From Saturday 9th May 2020 published station closures increased from 37 to 38, with Heathrow Terminal 4 closing from the start of traffic until further notice. Are trains working through without stopping, or are they all diverted to Terminal 5 now? TTN 155/20 suggests that scheduled T4 loop trains should detrain at Hatton Cross and run empty around the loop.
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Post by PiccNT on May 10, 2020 12:57:44 GMT
Reading and listening to the government briefings regarding limiting the numbers on trains, I can't quite fathom out how this will be achieved. If the train has the maximum number on to comply with social distancing, what happens at the next stop? There's not a hope in hell that passengers will comply with this and there is certainly not the resource to police this.
Anyone have any ideas on this?
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Post by North End on May 10, 2020 13:04:31 GMT
Reading and listening to the government briefings regarding limiting the numbers on trains, I can't quite fathom out how this will be achieved. If the train has the maximum number on to comply with social distancing, what happens at the next stop? There's not a hope in hell that passengers will comply with this and there is certainly not the resource to police this. Anyone have any ideas on this? In practice I simply don’t think it will work, just like in places it isn’t now. It’s something we’re no doubt going to hear loads about over the next couple of months. Thankfully rear cabs offer an attractive method for train staff to travel around. This was actually fairly common in two-person days. An old practice which may end up making a more lasting comeback perhaps.
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