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Post by Chris M on Apr 11, 2007 8:41:22 GMT
Today brings another two-part question (click for a higher quality version)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2007 8:55:29 GMT
i say victoria leading from the vic to the district if im right those stairs would take you to the e/b district platform
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2007 10:17:06 GMT
aetearlscourt has it in one. The stairs to the w/b District are out of view, to the left of the picture.
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Post by Chris M on Apr 11, 2007 17:08:01 GMT
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Post by Tubeboy on Apr 11, 2007 17:18:23 GMT
Yeah, Victoria, top of the escalators from the Vic platforms. Left hand passageway leads to W/B Circle and District line platform.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2007 20:42:43 GMT
Tiny bit of thread creep - but why would LT (or whatever they call themselves today) indicate 'Keep Left' when they tell one to keep right on escalators?
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Post by chrish on Apr 11, 2007 21:05:06 GMT
Tiny bit of thread creep - but why would LT (or whatever they call themselves today) indicate 'Keep Left' when they tell one to keep right on escalators? Well, on escalators everyone is travelling in the same direction (hopefully!), so stand one side, walk the other... along passageways is a different kettle of fish. Plus.. why are you looking for logic in LU workings! ;D
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Post by Oracle on Apr 11, 2007 21:45:19 GMT
I wrote a nice little explanation as to why we drive/walk/run trains on the left and thanks to Napoleon, taking on the practices of Ancient Rome, the Continental practice is the opposite. Then I thought it was overkill! Effectively most people are right-handed so we walked or drove or rode on the left to leave our sword-arm free, with males nearest the crown of the road. We seem happiest to walk on the left in the same manner, to use the handrail when climbing/descending and then use our right hands and arms for carrying baggage, etc. However on escalators and travelators we stand on the right using our right hands and arms for support whilst being conveyed. Those who like me choose to walk or run up and down (I used to do two steps in one go when much younger) use the left hand and arm for support whilst carrying something.
Now I have been encouraged to do so: when travelling on roads in Ancient Rome ("Up" to Rome) it was decreed that you did so on the right, and away from Rome ("Down") on the right as well. Napoleon adopted the system to be as completely different from the British as possible and imposed his Roman ideals on European countries that he conquered. In Nord Region I believe SNCF still use left-hand running whilst the RATP and rest of SNCF use right-hand running. The Romans of course gave us the mile!
[The USA had effectively elected to use right-hand running in most states, with left-hand steering by 1916 and Canada had followed suit by 1924 with Newfoundland changing over in 1948 on Confederation. Save for the US Virgin Isles where they have lhd vehicles driving on the left! Henry Ford decreed around 1916 as well not to produce rhd cars and so Manchester's Trafford Park factory assembled lhd Model Ts and TT trucks. The Ford City,Windsor, Ontario Plant however produced both lhd and rhd for Canadian and export consumption.]
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Post by frimm on Apr 11, 2007 21:45:48 GMT
Tiny bit of thread creep - but why would LT (or whatever they call themselves today) indicate 'Keep Left' when they tell one to keep right on escalators? Well when you think about it, there is a simple logic here. Keep left on walkways just emulates what we do on the road (as we are one of the few civilised nations left on earth, that actually drive on the correct side of the road ;D ), and oncoming people will pass you on your right. Now on an escalator you should stand on the right to keep clear of the moving (human) traffic passing on the left... Simple really Frimm And just to add to Oracle, as you posted at the same time as me.... On the subject of the Romans, what effect have they had on the space shuttle and why?
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Post by Oracle on Apr 11, 2007 21:46:31 GMT
I gather that "CHOLA" means "lightning"? Our local Indian resturant in Warsash was the Chon-Chola.
Shuttle...Romans, French and Americans controlled multiple horses on the left side, and so the Captain or Pilot in Charge of a 'plane sits on the left and doesn't the shuttle revolve to the left after take off?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2007 23:14:55 GMT
Tiny bit of thread creep - but why would LT (or whatever they call themselves today) indicate 'Keep Left' when they tell one to keep right on escalators? Well when you think about it, there is a simple logic here. Keep left on walkways just emulates what we do on the road (as we are one of the few civilised nations left on earth, that actually drive on the correct side of the road ;D ), and oncoming people will pass you on your right. Except at Cannon Street (which has no escalators) where you are supposed to keep right in the walkways.
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Post by frimm on Apr 11, 2007 23:50:09 GMT
Well when you think about it, there is a simple logic here. Keep left on walkways just emulates what we do on the road (as we are one of the few civilised nations left on earth, that actually drive on the correct side of the road ;D ), and oncoming people will pass you on your right. Except at Cannon Street (which has no escalators) where you are supposed to keep right in the walkways. Yeah well Cannon Street is in the City. The City is full of suits that visit from far flung places.... maybe the rule was changed there to make them feel at home
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Post by frimm on Apr 12, 2007 0:28:50 GMT
Shuttle...Romans, French and Americans controlled multiple horses on the left side, and so the Captain or Pilot in Charge of a 'plane sits on the left and doesn't the shuttle revolve to the left after take off? Why are the Solid Rocket Boosters on the Space Shuttle the size they are? In the beginning, the Romans conquered most of Europe. They did this using guile, cunning, legions and chariots. The chariots were designed to be the width of two horse’s backsides, and the chariots needed roads. The Romans built the roads to take the width of the standard chariot. Long after the Romans disappeared from the scene, generations of wheelwrights and wagon makers, wrestled with the problem of wagon width. Make them too wide, and the axles broke. Too narrow, and the ride was uncomfortable, and they could topple over. Make them the same width as the Roman chariot, and they worked just fine, and also rode well in the ruts on the old Roman roads caused by chariots and wagons over hundreds of years. With the dawn of the railways, with the exception of I.K. Brunel (a man ahead of his time), most engineers felt that the correct gauge should be that used for the horse drawn wagon, namely 4' 8 1/2 " , and so that was how the railways were built. Now the young United States needed a vast network of railways as well, and borrowed from the pioneering work done in Britain. Hence they too adopted a gauge of 4' 8 1/2". Step into the late 20th century, and the builders of the solid rocket boosters of the shuttle had a fundamental problem to resolve. They needed to build the boosters, that sit along side the main tank of the shuttle (one either side), that would push the Shuttle to the limits of space, but at the same time they had to deliver them from their factory in Utah to the assembly and launch site. They chose the railway as the best means of transport, but the problem was the route went through a tunnel. The tunnel was just wider than the rolling stock, so the boosters had to fit. So there is the answer. What is arguably the world’s most advanced transport system was both constrained and determined by the width of a Roman horse’s backside. Dunno how true it is but it’s a lovely story none the less right then I'll go and lurk for another few months and stop hijacking threads ;D
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Post by Chris M on Apr 12, 2007 8:07:34 GMT
Answer:Well done Pat, this is Victoria looking from the towards the stairs to the District and Circle Lines. (Click for the full-size version)
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Post by Oracle on Apr 12, 2007 8:13:31 GMT
How did Australia end up with driving on the left and some railways standard, others broad. They imported the same system of driving as Great Britain, and some railways adopted the British standard gauge through using British engineers, and at least one Broad Gauge as they used an Irish engineer!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2007 10:00:27 GMT
<snip> Dunno how true it is but it’s a lovely story none the less Sort-of, kinda, -ish, but not really... snopes.comNice story, though -jdp
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Post by mandgc on Apr 12, 2007 10:20:16 GMT
Australian Guages.
1- New South Wales and Victoria (then Independent Colonies) agreed on Standard ,4'8'' common guage. 2- NSW changed to Irish Engineer who advocated (Irish) 5'3". Victoria agreed and ordered 5'3" Locos. 3- NSW then appointed English Engineer who advocated and adopted 4'8" guage for that state. 4- When rails met at Albury border Hey! Presto- 4'8" from Sydney and 5'3" from Melbourne. 5- South Australia State extended 5'3'' guage over Victorian border to Adelaide,etc. 6- SA, Queensland, Western Aust. States and Northern Territory adopted Narrow Guage, 3'6",etc for economy. 7- 1914?- Australian Commonwealth adopted 4'8'' as standard and built Port Pirie to Kalgoorie link .
Result- (until1937?) Perth(WA) to Kalgoorie 3'6", K. to Port Augusta 4'8", PA/Quorn/Peterborough/ Terowie3'6", Terowie to Melbourne and Albury 5'3'', Albury to Sydney and Q'land border4'8'' Border to Brisburn 3'6".This was their Cross-continental line connecting all the State Capitals !!!
Gradually since 1962 all states have been connected by 4'8'' lines
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