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Post by ongarparknride on Mar 19, 2007 18:51:08 GMT
I've PM'd Chris regarding starting this thread as he inspired it, and also mentioned he was in turn inspired by an earlier poster whose name he cannot recollect. I'm posting this myself with his approval, as I seemed to be the main respondent when he tried posting his ;D So the idea isn't new, but mine relies slightly less on "detailed" knowledge of the LTU system (such as the results of taking wrong sticks etc) and hopefully just needs a tube map and a tendancy to enjoy crosswords to find the answers. There is just one difference from Chris's rules - Please show your "workings" as how you interpret the clues, movements etc - as I'll use those to assess the winner(s) as if you can be bothered to contribute you will have the benefit of any earlier replies, although I am Sure You Won't Read Them.  Please enjoy........ This is based on the London Underground Map. You just need a copy of it to solve - no need for any detailed knowledge of London or living there etc. Read the Clues VERY carefully. Where there is a (number), you need to post the name of the relevant station, so your answer comprises a list of the 12 stations - (1) where I started, (2 - 11) where I visited, and (12) where I finished. OK. Now read the clues very carefully.
You will find this might be a punishing thread.Amidst precipitation is where my journey starts. (1) Past where the Routemasters were built, (2) To where Iron on Iron rings out. (3) Changing lines, I hear the time (4) Until I hear the dogs.... (5) Change again towards the road That leads up to the Scouse (6) Meeting an upset monarch (7) To change and head out north, I visit where they grow What makes blackboards best work. (8) Taken short quite suddenly, I need a flushing toilet (9) On my journey south I found A funny sort of circle - It wasn't really round. (10) One stop south, then sharply north, To the graves of Trawling grounds. There interred just parts of fish, Six feet underground. (11) My journey's shortly ending Where a Very Famous Pub Is named in honour of the girl Whom Albert really loved. (12) OK - so you have 12 numbers, and I want the 12 stations referred to against each number, AND extra points awarded for you explaining the clues and mentioning the routes you take between the stations. I propose leaving it a couple of days to see if anyone answers, then post the answers, then post "my" idea of the Winners based on how mad they are compared with my dark sense of humour in interpreting the clues  Good Luck, and enjoy !!! cheers, OngarParkNRide |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2007 18:58:22 GMT
well ive managed to work out a few......
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Post by ongarparknride on Mar 19, 2007 19:06:31 GMT
If you just work out a few, that's fine "dstock18". Thanks for contributing. If you can work out a few others, you have a bit of time to put your answers in. I'm asking for your "workings" so as to suss out answers as others can see (although I'm sure they won't cheat) what earlier repliers said. |
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Post by Chris M on Mar 19, 2007 19:13:47 GMT
Amidst precipitation is where my journey starts. (1) Past where the Routemasters were built, (2) To where Iron on Iron rings out. (3) Changing lines, I hear the time (4) Until I hear the dogs.... (5) Change again towards the road That leads up to the Scouse (6) Meeting an upset monarch (7) To change and head out north, I visit where they grow What makes blackboards best work. (8) Taken short quite suddenly, I need a flushing toilet (9) On my journey south I found A funny sort of circle - It wasn't really round. (10) One stop south, then sharply north, To the graves of Trawling grounds. There interred just parts of fish, Six feet underground. (11) My journey's shortly ending Where a Very Famous Pub Is named in honour of the girl Whom Albert really loved. (12) My guesses: 3 - Hammersmith (metal on metal = blacksmith's hammer hitting the metal) 6 - Liverpool Street (road leading to the Scouse) 7 - King's Cross (upset monarch) 8 - Chalk Farm (chalk is what makes blackboards useful, stuff is grown at farms) 10 - Oxford Circus or Piccadilly Circus (a circle that isn't really round) The logical route 6-7-8 is Circle/H&C/Met followed by the Northern. |
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Post by ongarparknride on Mar 19, 2007 19:19:14 GMT
I'd like to add a little, further, personal note. There are SO MANY of our working population that have to put up with "anti-social" hours working and travel, and similarly their Families and Friends support them in that.
Such work includes Emergency Services such as Police and NHS Staff, Power Station and Water/Sewage and Gas workers, and of course all the Transport Workers who get them too and from their essential workplaces.
Purely speaking for myself, I thank All of You who - for whatever reasons - actually perform such "non- 9 to 5" work that gives such benefits and continuity to the citizens of the U.K.
This is no disrespect to the "9-5" workers, upon whom We Similarly Also Depend, but I think most folks would agree that working "out of hours" incurs a much greater personal effort and family support that deserves Special Recognition.
Cheers,
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Post by Ben on Mar 19, 2007 19:44:29 GMT
At first I thought number 10 was kennington, because of the loop which is almost a circle. I'm not sure now though.
Number 12 might be Victoria, since Prince Albert was Queen Victorias consort.
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Post by Oracle on Mar 19, 2007 20:00:33 GMT
I guessed # 1 was RAYNErs Lane! Then got stumped at # 2 as the RMs were built in Southall, Windmill Lane in fact but then the brain realised that the bodies were by PARK ROYAL Vehicles. The # 3 should surely be HAMMER_SMITH as has been suggested. Then # 5 is BARKING, but where is # 4? Perhaps via the H&C LA_TIMER Road as in "The Timer Road". I discounted BOW ROAD, as in "Bow Bells".
# 12 must surely be "The Queen Victoria" in Walford? But that's on the District. Ha!! Otherwise as per Ben!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2007 20:11:43 GMT
3. hammersmith (metal on metel)
4. westminster (near the big ben)
5. barking (dogs way of speaking)
6. liverpool street (where the scousers come from)
7. kings cross (when you annoy the monarch)
8. chalk farm (you use chalk to write on blackboard)
9. waterloo
10. archway
oval (half circle)
11.finsbury park (fins-fish and bury- underground)
12.victoria (albert and victoria)
number 9 suggested by oracle and number 11 i orignally put turnpike lane.....
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Post by Oracle on Mar 19, 2007 20:15:07 GMT
How about # 11 FINS_BURY PARK!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2007 20:19:16 GMT
yeah i suppose
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Post by Oracle on Mar 19, 2007 20:20:27 GMT
# 9 = WATER_LOO ?
Never thought of Turnpike Lane...very well thought out young madam!
I stick by:
1. Rayners Lane (rain is precipitation)
2. Park Royal (Park Royal Vehicles/PRV)
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Post by Chris M on Mar 19, 2007 20:33:32 GMT
I've just had a thought that 6 could actually be Euston, as that is where the rail road to Liverpool starts (I'm probably completely wrong with this)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2007 20:38:17 GMT
see i think im quite good at this as when i was in scouts we done a thing called molequest where we had to answer clues ( a bit easier) and then go to the stations which were the answers and check in , my team always won
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Post by Oracle on Mar 19, 2007 20:42:39 GMT
Good point Chris but LPS looks to be apposite!
After Archway the journey is of course via Euston or KX to Finsbury Park, then the Vic to VICTORIA.
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Post by abe on Mar 20, 2007 11:59:01 GMT
#10 is Oval - one stop south takes one to Stockwell, then north on the Victoria line to Finsbury Park which has already been identified as the answer to #11.
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Post by Oracle on Mar 20, 2007 18:46:45 GMT
Duh, why me no think that?
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Post by ongarparknride on Mar 21, 2007 0:41:22 GMT
Ohhh! You are such lovely guys, working so hard. Please keep the ideas coming. I note the several "workings" to get to your answers, but not saying anything just yet. I'll leave it a little longer, and will take into account as "the Winners" not just your answers but how you arrived at them. So if you only think you have a few of them you can answer, please post up.
Cheers, and it's lovely some of you great guys out here at DD's are enjoying this.
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Post by ongarparknride on Mar 21, 2007 0:46:51 GMT
Sorry, but got to add a further quick PS:
Recognising: "dstock18" for being so honest in where he/she got alternative ideas from the various other answer posts here.
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Post by Tubeboy on Mar 21, 2007 12:21:48 GMT
I'd like to add a little, further, personal note. There are SO MANY of our working population that have to put up with "anti-social" hours working and travel, and similarly their Families and Friends support them in that. Such work includes Emergency Services such as Police and NHS Staff, Power Station and Water/Sewage and Gas workers, and of course all the Transport Workers who get them too and from their essential workplaces. Purely speaking for myself, I thank All of You who - for whatever reasons - actually perform such "non- 9 to 5" work that gives such benefits and continuity to the citizens of the U.K. This is no disrespect to the "9-5" workers, upon whom We Similarly Also Depend, but I think most folks would agree that working "out of hours" incurs a much greater personal effort and family support that deserves Special Recognition. Cheers, OngarParkNRide Thank you. Cheque is in the post [as arranged] |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2007 17:54:46 GMT
Let's give this a go:
1. Rayners Lane
2. Park Royal
3. Hammersmith
4. Westminster (Big Ben)
5. Barking
6. Liverpool St
7. Kings Cross
8. Chalk Farm
9. Waterloo
10. Oval
11. Stockwell (as in fish stock ?)
12. Victoria
Start on Piccadilly Line to Hammersmith
Change to District Line to Barking
Change to Hammersmith & City Line to Kings Cross
Change to Northern Line Northbound to Chalk Farm
Change to go Southbound to Stockwell
Change to Victoria Line to Victoria
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Post by Oracle on Mar 21, 2007 21:07:42 GMT
# 11 wouldn't be Stockwell..good lateral thinking or is it "lateral fin-king"? To interr is to bury, and usually at least six feet down. However I have no idea what the "Trawling" part means despite searches. People do trawl through graveyards looking at headstones for historical and genealogical purposes but I don't know how that relates to Finsbury Park.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2007 22:29:38 GMT
I think you are right
11. Finsbury Park
then 12 would be Blackhorse Road which is only 3 stops from Finsbury Park hence shortly ending also a Famous Pub name and Albert could be Albert Bierstadt who painted The Blackhorse ?)
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Post by Oracle on Mar 21, 2007 23:15:59 GMT
Or THE VICTORIA, 1, Lower Belgrave St, SW1W 0NR, just round the corner from the station?
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Post by ongarparknride on Mar 22, 2007 9:32:24 GMT
GOOD WORK EVERYONE The answers I wanted are: Amidst precipitation is where my journey starts. (1) RAYNERS LANEPast where the Routemasters were built, (2) PARK ROYALTo where Iron on Iron rings out. (3) HAMMERSMITHChanging lines, I hear the time (4) Big Ben, but it has to be a Station, hence: WESTMINSTERUntil I hear the dogs.... (5) BARKINGChange again towards the road That leads up to the Scouse (6) A street is a sort of a road, so LIVERPOOL STREETMeeting an upset monarch (7) KING'S CROSSTo change and head out north, I visit where they grow What makes blackboards best work. (8) CHALK FARMTaken short quite suddenly, I need a flushing toilet (9) WATERLOOOn my journey south I found A funny sort of circle - It wasn't really round. (10) OVALOne stop south, then sharply north, To the graves of Trawling grounds. There interred just parts of fish, Six feet underground. (11) FINSBURY PARKMy journey's shortly ending Where a Very Famous Pub Is named in honour of the girl Whom Albert really loved. (12) VICTORIAOK, Now for the points: For each question if you answered right, you get 1/2 point; if you were the first to post it or give a substantial clue, you get another 1/4 point, and if you showed good workings you also get an extra 1/4 point, so the Max Score is 12 Points, rather than 12 correct answers !   Also, you get 1/4 point for "honesty" such as acknowledging you agree with an earlier post; and finally you can get 1/4 point for workings in detail irrespective of correct answer. POINTS AND COMMENTS:dstock18 - In First Place mainly by attempting 10 answers, with a total score of 8.00. in her reply #7. I awarded 1/4 for workings in reply #11, despite it being wrong, as Turn Pike Lane at least had fish in it. ;D (0,0,.75,1,.75,.75,.75,.75,.75,.75,1,.75) As Oracle didn't suggest Waterloo until after dstock18's reply #7...  ChrisM. I used reply #3, and awarded 1/4 for workings in reply #11, despite it being wrong (0,0,.75,0,0,1,.75,.75,0,X,0,0) That gives 3.25 points. Ben I've awarded .50, .25 and .25 totalling 1 Point all on his one correct answer for Q12. Actually, I'll chuck in a further 0.25 bonus for thinking of the Kennington loop, so your total becomes 1.25 points. Oracle I'm marked in an extra 1/4 for honesty on Q 3., also 1/4 re: acknowledging Ben and also an extra 1/4 re: replies 11 and 13 re: Liverpool Street. Taking all 3 bashes at it (replies 6, 8 &13) (1,1,.75,.25,.75,0,0,0,.75,0,1.25,1.00) totalling 6.75 points. abe contributed a neat summary at reply 14. For that I award .75 and 1 totalling 1.75 points for his contributions on answers 11 & 12. iank provided a further overall summary at the end in reply 15, showing 5.5 points for correct answers. I award 1/4 point for the reasoning behind "Stockwell" Total 5.75 points. It was pleasant to see the final discussion posts between him and Oracle that I'd rate quite highly in showing workings behind the clues to the answer stations. And I'm glad on my marking, as it goes to show restating one's answers or summarising them can pick up quite a high score after some earlier posts have been entered, yet rewards initial contributions that point the way. Looking at the total results, I think had dstock18 pondered a little more about the warning it was a PUNishing thread, she might have clocked Rayners Lane, and I do admit Park Royal was a sneaky one as a possible tie-breaker. WINNERSSo the clear winning entries in terms of correct stations belong to dstock18 and Oracle, and I award them both JOINT FIRST PLACE WINNERS.ChrisM similarly well entered into the spirit, and I award him JOINT SECOND PLACE WINNER, together with iankBen and abe made very good contributions - perhaps in the spirit of helping in a "team" effort - so I am delighted to award them both JOINT THIRD PLACE WINNERS.Congratulations, everyone, and thanks for participating ;D |
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Post by Oracle on Mar 22, 2007 10:42:24 GMT
As Oracle didn't suggest Waterloo until after dstock18's reply #7... Actually I did but edited the post (deleted) it to amalgamate it in a subsequent posting. It was conceded that it was correct but our young lady wisely agreed with me and stuck it in her list. Plaudits to her for doing what was required and thinking laterally. But I still have no idea where the "Trawling" part came in...it was a Red Herring? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2007 10:43:19 GMT
yeah i just added it after becuase i didnt initally have a guess for that!
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Post by Oracle on Mar 22, 2007 10:47:56 GMT
However I most respectfully concede to the young lady in question please as she actually listed all the answers in penny order and I was only doing the test for "fun" without intending to win. She is the winner!!!!
As a prize I offer her a free copy of my book and if she PMs me I will send it by post! She can then flog it on E-bay!
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Post by ongarparknride on Mar 22, 2007 11:21:16 GMT
That is a very generous and Gentlemanly gesture from you, Oracle.
I thought that "trawling" would be fairly quickly associated with fishing, then parts of fish, but acknowledge your thoughts of alternatives such as trawling the internet, family graves or archives, etc.
Cheers,
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Post by Oracle on Mar 22, 2007 12:18:42 GMT
Dstock18 can decide which book she would like (if any) from our sales outlet. Others will know that I have donated books as prizes before. Hopefully they will then spread the word around as though they were review copies. I get models and books all the time for review. No, not that sort of "model"...my wife has a collection of large cooking knives.
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Post by ongarparknride on Mar 22, 2007 17:39:05 GMT
Please don't take this the wrong way, Oracle, but if your Wife has any cookery books she no longer wants..........
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