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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 18, 2020 4:52:11 GMT
Has tye refurbishment resumed or is the work still on hold? The construction work on new workshop building in Acton Works has now restarted. Three 2-car units were returned to traffic during the stoppage. |
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Post by stapler on Jul 18, 2020 7:11:21 GMT
So how much longer do you reckon the refurb programme will take, 4 moths, or longer because of knock-on effects?
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Post by Chris W on Jul 18, 2020 11:36:44 GMT
So how much longer do you reckon the refurb programme will take, 4 moths, or longer because of knock-on effects? It'll take a least another butterfly to complete the work and maybe even a caterpillar longer    
In truth it's probably way too early to estimate as most projects, across all industries, tend not to meet their deadlines.... sadly though re LU, the delays and the causes then spill over into the political arena |
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 19, 2020 18:48:52 GMT
Quite possibly LU / TfL cannot afford these works. Yes it will mean being in breach of a legal requirement to make the trains accessible and carry out the other works, but short of the Treasury providing the finance I would not be surprised if the works were delayed until the financial situation improves.
(maybe I should have said if / when it improves)
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Post by superteacher on Aug 13, 2020 10:01:00 GMT
If they don't start it soon, it won't be worth the money as replacement is due in around 10 years or so.
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Post by 35b on Aug 13, 2020 13:09:50 GMT
Quite possibly LU / TfL cannot afford these works. Yes it will mean being in breach of a legal requirement to make the trains accessible and carry out the other works, but short of the Treasury providing the finance I would not be surprised if the works were delayed until the financial situation improves. (maybe I should have said if / when it improves) Given commentary by Dr B Ching in the latest Private Eye, I’d put money on a change of law ahead of funding if demand remains suppressed. |
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 13, 2020 19:32:31 GMT
I do not read Private Eye, is it possible to offer a brief synopsis of what was said?
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Post by 35b on Aug 13, 2020 20:05:44 GMT
I do not read Private Eye, is it possible to offer a brief synopsis of what was said? If there’s a second outbreak of Covid, HM Treasury will force DfT to mothball railways rather than keep them open on very low utilisation. It then goes on to comment that Grant Shapps has already told railway managers that they’ve had bail out grants rather than loans (as the airlines did). Without going into politics, it suggests a distinct lack of willingness to find money for railways. |
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Post by stapler on Aug 14, 2020 7:18:25 GMT
Assuming traffic levels return to pre - Covid only about 2024 and the 92TS will be life-expired by about 2030, won't TFL just "lose" the upgrade, and patch up the 92s for a few more years?
The Govt can of course change the accessibility regs by changing the law.
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Post by brigham on Aug 14, 2020 7:42:03 GMT
There needs to be flexibility where money is tight.
Sometimes the utilitarian's 'greatest good for the greatest number' needs to be included in the calculations.
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 15, 2020 10:16:02 GMT
I do not read Private Eye, is it possible to offer a brief synopsis of what was said? If there’s a second outbreak of Covid, HM Treasury will force DfT to mothball railways rather than keep them open on very low utilisation. It then goes on to comment that Grant Shapps has already told railway managers that they’ve had bail out grants rather than loans (as the airlines did). Without going into politics, it suggests a distinct lack of willingness to find money for railways. I saw a newspaper headline recently which talked of line closures if the trains remain empty. I did not get to read the full article. I know that I expressed this concern many months ago, but it might not have been here. Anyway, the government did its its level best to scare people off public transport so I am not surprised that people are still staying away. As what I am saying is not really about 92TS refurb/replacement I am going to say more on this on topic in the "Coronavirus Implications For London's Transport" thread districtdavesforum.co.uk/post/494554/thread |
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Post by silenthunter on Aug 15, 2020 20:12:09 GMT
They're definitely coming back on the District Line in my experience. I'll take a look at how busy the Central is when I am next at Mile End.
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Post by noddymac on Sept 3, 2020 7:59:22 GMT
They're definitely coming back on the District Line in my experience. I'll take a look at how busy the Central is when I am next at Mile End. Central is definitely busier, especially on weekends. Almost like an evening peak! |
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 12, 2020 9:44:28 GMT
I've seen a tweet which talks about a major international bank ordering its staff to return to its offices on 21st September - even if it happens as a staged event this has the potential to see peak hour passenger numbers rising, especially if other banks will follow suit. I've placed the tweet in a thread more relevant to that topic, this being Coronavirus Implications For London's Transportdistrictdavesforum.co.uk/post/495312 |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 24, 2020 15:27:55 GMT
The first unit 91111-92111 at Derby has now successfully been fitted with AC motors and is back on its bogies.
Second unit 92446-93446(d) is the next to receive the same.
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Post by grumpycat on Sept 28, 2020 12:25:46 GMT
The first unit 91111-92111 at Derby has now successfully been fitted with AC motors and is back on its bogies. Second unit 92446-93446(d) is the next to receive the same. Splendid hope it does not screw up like the 317 retraction that happened a few years ago |
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Post by underover on Sept 28, 2020 16:51:16 GMT
The first unit 91111-92111 at Derby has now successfully been fitted with AC motors and is back on its bogies. Second unit 92446-93446(d) is the next to receive the same. Splendid hope it does not screw up like the 317 retraction that happened a few years ago I think I know which incident you are on about, and if so, it should not be an issue as the motors themselves are an exact replacement. Same motor shape, mountings, bolt patterns etc |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 3, 2020 12:52:01 GMT
Some encouraging news on this long drawn out project; the first AC traction equipment fitted unit at Bombardier Derby, 92111 has passed its static testing and has moved onto dynamic testing on the test track at Derby works.
it's hoped to deliver this unit back to London in early-January, to continue dynamic testing with LU.
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Post by John Tuthill on Dec 3, 2020 13:08:48 GMT
Some encouraging news on this long drawn out project; the first AC traction equipment fitted unit at Bombardier Derby has passed its static testing and has moved onto dynamic testing on the test track at Derby works. it's hoped to deliver this unit back to London in early-January, to continue dynamic testing with LU. If these units are using AC, I wonder where and how big the static invertor is? |
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Post by t697 on Dec 3, 2020 19:15:32 GMT
Some encouraging news on this long drawn out project; the first AC traction equipment fitted unit at Bombardier Derby has passed its static testing and has moved onto dynamic testing on the test track at Derby works. it's hoped to deliver this unit back to London in early-January, to continue dynamic testing with LU. If these units are using AC, I wonder where and how big the static invertor is? From what I was shown earlier in the project, the complete traction package and auxiliary converter are replaced by the new equipment occupying the effectively same space and approximately the same weight. |
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Post by A60stock on Dec 4, 2020 9:18:10 GMT
Does anyone know when it will be possible to obtain a video of the new traction package in action/test?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 4, 2020 9:26:48 GMT
Does anyone know when it will be possible to obtain a video of the new traction package in action/test? I’ve seen a video of the ‘92 Stock unit testing at Derby; sadly not in public domain. |
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Post by alpinejohn on Dec 4, 2020 16:46:40 GMT
Assuming the first unit tests out OK, I can see this upgrade proceeding for the whole fleet, simply on the Triggers Broom principle, that there is no money to buy new units, so you keep replacing worn out stuff so the maintenance teams will probably be messing with 92s well beyond 2030.
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Post by noddymac on Dec 15, 2020 15:18:30 GMT
I’m interested to know what the trains are going to sound like!
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Post by grumpycat on Dec 15, 2020 19:24:45 GMT
I’m interested to know what the trains are going to sound like! probably 2009 stock units |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 15, 2020 19:41:50 GMT
I’m interested to know what the trains are going to sound like! probably 2009 stock units Yes, hints of 2009/S Stocks |
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Post by noddymac on Dec 15, 2020 22:16:17 GMT
probably 2009 stock units Yes, hints of 2009/S Stocks Might sound sad, but I will miss the current (soon to be old) motors but the rolling stock is in need of the improvement. |
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 16, 2020 20:46:28 GMT
Will the ac train units be compatible with the dc train units? (ie: able to work together in the same train)
If not, could a situation be reached whereby there are times when there is a shortage of serviceable train units which causes a cancellation (or two) from the timetable?
Continuing on with the scenario (above), maybe some temporary short-length shuttle services would be operated? eh: Loughton - Epping, (Leytonstone -) Woodford - Hainault, (White City -) North Action - Ealing Broadway... ?
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Dec 17, 2020 18:28:18 GMT
probably 2009 stock units Yes, hints of 2009/S Stocks Ah that's a shame. The sound of the current motors is one of my favourites on the railway! Still, if it's needed then so be it... |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 17, 2020 23:40:48 GMT
Will the ac train units be compatible with the dc train units? (ie: able to work together in the same train) If not, could a situation be reached whereby there are times when there is a shortage of serviceable train units which causes a cancellation (or two) from the timetable? Continuing on with the scenario (above), maybe some temporary short-length shuttle services would be operated? eh: Loughton - Epping, (Leytonstone -) Woodford - Hainault, (White City -) North Action - Ealing Broadway... ? Don't see why there should be a problem. On the Big Railway retractioned 455s work fine with original-condition 456s |
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