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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 18:26:10 GMT
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Post by sawb on Oct 4, 2018 20:44:41 GMT
Can someone please explain what's meant by a "flash and dash"? |
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Post by superteacher on Oct 4, 2018 20:48:27 GMT
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 5, 2018 4:54:25 GMT
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 5, 2018 8:25:05 GMT
Shuttle service running between White City and Ealing Broadway, Waterloo & City running.
East Acton was closed due to staff shortage for 11 minutes which I guess is how long it took someone to realise its not a Section 12 and can be left unstaffed.
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Post by class411 on Oct 5, 2018 9:07:54 GMT
Presumably 'dash' means dashing out of the station without proper safety checks. But what does the 'flash' refer to - turning the lights off momentarily? |
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 5, 2018 10:20:27 GMT
Yes, flashing the train lights then dashing away.
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Post by hobbayne on Oct 5, 2018 10:53:46 GMT
Yes, flashing the train lights then dashing away. Leaving the driver at the mercy of possible violent drunks, all alone on the train with no place 0f safety. |
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Post by class411 on Oct 5, 2018 11:23:30 GMT
Yes, flashing the train lights then dashing away. Leaving the driver at the mercy of possible violent drunks, all alone on the train with no place 0f safety. Possible violent, drunk, thugs, enraged about being stuck in a tunnel with no means of egress. |
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Post by jimini on Oct 6, 2018 0:33:49 GMT
Leaving the driver at the mercy of possible violent drunks, all alone on the train with no place 0f safety. Possible violent, drunk, thugs, enraged about being stuck in a tunnel with no means of egress. I thought (based on the other thread) that the detraining proposal on the W&C had been dropped, so that shouldn't have been a factor in this Friday's strike action? Happy to be corrected of course! |
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Post by jamesb on Oct 6, 2018 7:13:44 GMT
Some of the old busses that were rolled out yesterday were frankly not up to the job.
I was on a very old single decker bus which couldn't get into first gear, overloaded with passengers, rolling backwards every time the driver tried to pull off, eventually smashing the windscreen of the bus behind.
TfL rail is quite good now, but almost a victim of its own success, because it is capable to delivering vast numbers of passengers to locations that don't have the infrastructure to cope, e.g. Ilford.
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Post by stapler on Oct 6, 2018 7:18:54 GMT
JamesB, what buses were running, and over what parts of the line? I gather there was a 2-train service between Loughton and Leytonstone?
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Post by brigham on Oct 6, 2018 8:35:26 GMT
Perhaps bus drivers have lost the art of changing gear?
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Post by jamesb on Oct 6, 2018 15:23:00 GMT
JamesB, what buses were running, and over what parts of the line? I gather there was a 2-train service between Loughton and Leytonstone? I am guessing that some existing services were beefed up, e.g. I was on a 167 bus that was very old. There was a bus replacement running between Epping station and Chingford , but limited. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 6, 2018 22:03:17 GMT
Some of the old busses that were rolled out yesterday were frankly not up to the job. I bet it was still better than the busses we have in the north.... Click/tap [URL=Check out rincew1nd’s Tweet: [/URL] if embedded tweet fails to display. |
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Post by stapler on Oct 8, 2018 7:14:53 GMT
167 is currently operated by new buses, so presumably the old one you were on was an "extra", as the trolleybus blinds used to say. Quality of vehicles on one of the two Loughton-Debden-Epping services(87)-- the other is rustybus 418) has improved since Arriva took over in August; I wonder if LU liaise with the normal route operators to tell them about these old wrecks running their routes?
During the closure following Chancery Lane in 2003, all sorts of old crocks were put through their paces at 60mph along the old A11 Chingford-Epping, including at least one 45-year old RT. It na't happen now, as there's a (sometimes observed) 40mph limit on that route
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 8, 2018 7:34:27 GMT
During the closure following Chancery Lane in 2003, all sorts of old crocks were put through their paces at 60mph, including at least one 45-year old RT. It na't happen now, as there's a (sometimes observed) 40mph limit on that route In 2003, the youngest RT would have already been 50 years old. And even when new an RT would barely reach the 40 mph limit now in force, let alone 60! Even the later Routemaster has no 0-60mph time quoted" |
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Post by hobbayne on Oct 8, 2018 10:07:28 GMT
Can we keep it on topic please?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Nov 2, 2018 10:58:05 GMT
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Post by superteacher on Nov 2, 2018 11:02:47 GMT
Sadiq Khan has been very quiet regarding this and the previous action. But yes, something needs to be done because there is a huge gulf between unions and management. |
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Post by jamesb on Nov 2, 2018 12:03:46 GMT
The emergency access covers have been improved I noticed, with properly fitting 'break glass' covers replacing the poor fitting plastic pull ring covers. That should improve cab security a bit?
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Post by Chris M on Nov 2, 2018 12:22:07 GMT
Interestingly the Central and Piccadilly line strikes are offset by about 12 hours. I don't know if that's deliberate or not, but it's not something I recall happening before.
I think the station staff at Holborn particularly are in for a couple of really bad days though.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 2, 2018 12:22:13 GMT
The emergency access covers have been improved I noticed, with properly fitting 'break glass' covers replacing the poor fitting plastic pull ring covers. That should improve cab security a bit? It’s actually a firm plastic, rather than traditional glass. The action on Wednesday is not over cab security. |
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Post by roverlei on Nov 5, 2018 18:47:35 GMT
Interestingly the Central and Piccadilly line strikes are offset by about 12 hours. I don't know if that's deliberate or not, but it's not something I recall happening before. I think the station staff at Holborn particularly are in for a couple of really bad days though. This is the usual course of action on the Piccadilly. Gets 'em going home on one day, and going to work the next (and possibly also on the home run again if it's a slow recovery). |
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Post by brigham on Nov 6, 2018 8:42:28 GMT
I'm trying to work out the long-term impact of these strikes.
There are a lot of variables to take into account, some of which may yet be hidden.
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Post by moogal on Nov 6, 2018 11:05:43 GMT
Talking to some people at work about this today, one mentioned that unions limit how many staff TfL/LU are allowed to hire (e.g. drivers, etc) - is there any truth in this and if so how much of an effect would that have?
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 6, 2018 12:03:07 GMT
Talking to some people at work about this today, one mentioned that unions limit how many staff TfL/LU are allowed to hire (e.g. drivers, etc) - is there any truth in this and if so how much of an effect would that have? Not that I'm aware of - any more, at least. The numbers of drivers are dictated by the business needs - i.e. how many drivers are required to run the service, and allow for any out-of-course perturbations (spare duties). Indeed, the latter number has been slowly whittled down in recent years, often resulting in cancellations because there are no spare drivers if things go awry (The oft-spotted and much-loathed 'Absence of Train Operators'... it can't be an absence if they don't exist!) - certainly the Unions have been pushing for more drivers back up to previous levels in some areas. And, of course, more drivers = more funds for the Unions, in theory. In the 'bad old days' of closed shops there may well have been more truth in the matter. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Nov 6, 2018 13:11:02 GMT
Talking to some people at work about this today, one mentioned that unions limit how many staff TfL/LU are allowed to hire (e.g. drivers, etc) - is there any truth in this and if so how much of an effect would that have? Absolute rubbish, the unions want more staff because they're potential members. One of the issues for the strike is understaffing. Another bit of rubbish is the claim that the unions insist that only existing TfL/LUL staff can apply for train operators jobs (inaccurately called a "closed shop" by those who don't know what a "closed shop" is) , ASLEF actually would prefer new recruits from outside TfL as existing employees are most likely RMT members already |
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Post by moogal on Nov 6, 2018 13:13:23 GMT
That's what I thought - thanks for confirming.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 6, 2018 14:12:29 GMT
Another bit of rubbish is the claim that the unions insist that only existing TfL/LUL staff can apply for train operators jobs, ASLEF actually would prefer new recruits from outside TfL as existing employees are most likely RMT members already There is an argument that "coming up through the ranks" gives you the experience of how the railway works, which makes you a better TOp. Lack of experience, and skimped training, were thought to be factors in the Ladbroke Grove disaster, the driver had no railway experience before being recruited earlier the same year. (Conversely one can argue that the job suits such a different type of personality that it's best to recruit specifically for the role). |
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