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Post by superteacher on Jun 14, 2018 15:51:40 GMT
When the first section (Abbey Wood to Paddington) opens in December, will the other sections (Liverpool Street to Shenfield and Paddington to Heathrow) still be referred to as TFL Rail until they are connected to the core in 2019?
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Post by jukes on Jun 14, 2018 15:58:58 GMT
When the first section (Abbey Wood to Paddington) opens in December, will the other sections (Liverpool Street to Shenfield and Paddington to Heathrow) still be referred to as TFL Rail until they are connected to the core in 2019? No. The name Elizabeth line will come into use for all 3 sections from 9 December 2018. |
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Post by superteacher on Jun 14, 2018 16:26:23 GMT
When the first section (Abbey Wood to Paddington) opens in December, will the other sections (Liverpool Street to Shenfield and Paddington to Heathrow) still be referred to as TFL Rail until they are connected to the core in 2019? No. The name Elizabeth line will come into use for all 3 sections from 9 December 2018. So the renaming class 315’s will get new roundels then? |
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Post by Deep Level on Jun 14, 2018 16:41:48 GMT
I've always said from the start that it will cause a lot less confusion for people if they rename the TfL Rail lines as and when they join the main section in May and December next year, it will also be cheaper because you wouldn't have to change the in car maps on 3 occasions you can simply add a sticker for Elizabeth Line interchange at Liverpool Street and Paddington.
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Post by jukes on Jun 14, 2018 17:41:25 GMT
No. The name Elizabeth line will come into use for all 3 sections from 9 December 2018. So the renaming class 315’s will get new roundels then? Possibly. But I suspect the aim is to do a big swap round as soon as 345s are cleared into Heathrow and NR get their fingers out and finish the platform extension at H&H. |
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Post by jukes on Jun 14, 2018 17:42:54 GMT
I've always said from the start that it will cause a lot less confusion for people if they rename the TfL Rail lines as and when they join the main section in May and December next year, it will also be cheaper because you wouldn't have to change the in car maps on 3 occasions you can simply add a sticker for Elizabeth Line interchange at Liverpool Street and Paddington. Not sure at moment what the logistics are but decision to go 100% Elizabeth line from 9 December is done and dusted. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 18:11:02 GMT
I don't understand the logic of this.
Essentially there will be 3 Elizabeth lines for a while - all requiring transfers.
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Post by jukes on Jun 14, 2018 19:30:52 GMT
I don't understand the logic of this. Essentially there will be 3 Elizabeth lines for a while - all requiring transfers. Yes and Yes. From May 2019 there will only be two sections requiring a transfer at Paddington. It was decided a long time ago by TfL that the Elizabeth lone name would launch on 9 December 2018 and at the same moment the name TfL Rail would cease. Also the purple lane colour from that date. |
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Post by crusty54 on Jun 14, 2018 20:43:23 GMT
So the renaming class 315’s will get new roundels then? Possibly. But I suspect the aim is to do a big swap round as soon as 345s are cleared into Heathrow and NR get their fingers out and finish the platform extension at H&H. The Hayes & Harlington 9 car platform extension was completed for the May timetable change. Unfortunately 9 car trains are not yet approved to go into service. |
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Post by jukes on Jun 14, 2018 21:01:13 GMT
The work was completed at H&H. But ORR has not yet signed off on the PLATFORM being used for 9-car trains. Had the signalling issue on Heathrow branch been resolved before 21 May, 9-car trains would be running today! As far as I am aware ORR have signed off 9-car trains in passenger service but if you can't run them in into Heathrow and the H&H platform isn't approved then it follows somewhat elegantly that you can't use 9-car trains. At this stage TfL are not going to use 9-car trains even when ORR sign off the H&H platform until the Heathrow branch issues resolved.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 23:20:50 GMT
I don't understand the logic of this. Essentially there will be 3 Elizabeth lines for a while - all requiring transfers. Yes and Yes. From May 2019 there will only be two sections requiring a transfer at Paddington. It was decided a long time ago by TfL that the Elizabeth lone name would launch on 9 December 2018 and at the same moment the name TfL Rail would cease. Also the purple lane colour from that date. Watch the resulting confusion tarnish the Elizabeth line brand before it is even fully open... |
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Post by stapler on Jun 15, 2018 7:37:44 GMT
Alex, "Elizabeth lone" seems quite appropriate given the existence of unconnected lines!
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Post by crusty54 on Jun 15, 2018 9:43:49 GMT
Yes and Yes. From May 2019 there will only be two sections requiring a transfer at Paddington. It was decided a long time ago by TfL that the Elizabeth lone name would launch on 9 December 2018 and at the same moment the name TfL Rail would cease. Also the purple lane colour from that date. Watch the resulting confusion tarnish the Elizabeth line brand before it is even fully open... At the planning stage it would have been envisaged that all 315s would have gone by December 2018. All three bits would have the new Crossrail trains. |
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Post by jukes on Jun 15, 2018 14:39:07 GMT
Watch the resulting confusion tarnish the Elizabeth line brand before it is even fully open... At the planning stage it would have been envisaged that all 315s would have gone by December 2018. All three bits would have the new Crossrail trains. As things stand its probable that the 315s will be gone by December 9. |
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 15, 2018 19:37:32 GMT
There is a precedent for a line having several sections... when the Jubilee Line extension opened it was as a separate service that only served a few stations out of Stratford. The Stanmore service still went to Charing Cross.
It was only later that through trains ran from Stanmore to Stratford. Simon |
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Post by waysider on Jun 16, 2018 8:38:00 GMT
There is a precedent for a line having several sections... when the Jubilee Line extension opened it was as a separate service that only served a few stations out of Stratford. The Stanmore service still went to Charing Cross.
It was only later that through trains ran from Stanmore to Stratford. Simon Yes we forget nearly all new lines have stuttering starts... I think the Victoria line started with a rather feeble Seven Sisters to Warren Street? |
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Post by superteacher on Jun 16, 2018 8:49:02 GMT
There is a precedent for a line having several sections... when the Jubilee Line extension opened it was as a separate service that only served a few stations out of Stratford. The Stanmore service still went to Charing Cross. It was only later that through trains ran from Stanmore to Stratford. Simon Yes we forget nearly all new lines have stuttering starts... I think the Victoria line started with a rather feeble Seven Sisters to Warren Street? First section was Walthamstow to Highbury. It was then extended to Warren Street, then Victoria. Brixton opened two years later. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 16, 2018 12:55:18 GMT
Yes we forget nearly all new lines have stuttering starts... I think the Victoria line started with a rather feeble Seven Sisters to Warren Street? First section was Walthamstow to Highbury. It was then extended to Warren Street, then Victoria. Brixton opened two years later. …..but unlike the Jubilee or Cross-Liz, it was never run in two separate sections. Thameslink was for a while, when the rebuilding of City station was in progress. |
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 16, 2018 13:04:12 GMT
For those of you able to draw on previous line openings and how they were phased - was there an instance of a line opening in fragments adjacent to each other? With the JLE the Stratford piece was very clearly disconnected from the old Jubilee.
As much PR as there is about the Elizabeth line there will be plenty of people who will be expecting to go from Sheffield to central London direct this December and haven’t paid near as much attention as we have. The pictures of the platform line diagrams in Farringdon show the fully connected line and the wayfinding signage has Shenfield, Heathrow and Reading as destinations. Come December 9, it’ll be difficult to inform passengers of the current and future services without overloading them with too much information.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 16, 2018 13:14:17 GMT
As much PR as there is about the Elizabeth line there will be plenty of people who will be expecting to go from Sheffield to central London direct this December Crossrail is going to Sheffield!? |
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Post by banana99 on Jun 16, 2018 14:40:33 GMT
There is a precedent for a line having several sections... when the Jubilee Line extension opened it was as a separate service that only served a few stations out of Stratford. The Stanmore service still went to Charing Cross.
It was only later that through trains ran from Stanmore to Stratford. Simon Indeed. Another non-issue. |
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 16, 2018 15:29:49 GMT
As much PR as there is about the Elizabeth line there will be plenty of people who will be expecting to go from Sheffield to central London direct this December Crossrail is going to Sheffield!? I guess the Sheffield commuters are out of luck! As for the Shenfield commuters... |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 9, 2018 20:32:28 GMT
Funny to think the core section would have opened today!
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Post by theblackferret on Dec 9, 2018 21:15:07 GMT
Funny to think the core section would have opened today! I'll look forward to that one amongst the Christmas crackers, then! |
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Post by patstonuk on Dec 10, 2018 10:14:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 13:55:39 GMT
2020, gosh...
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Post by Antje on Dec 10, 2018 14:03:44 GMT
100% certain that I will not be around to see it in public service.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 10, 2018 20:00:46 GMT
For those who may be interested a shedload of Crossrail minutes and briefings have been placed on the TfL website today. As you might expect some of it is as dull as ditchwater and some is very interesting indeed. Follow this TfL website link and then select "C" from the A to Z drop down menu. Then page through until you get to Crossrail sections (pages 4 and 6 IIRC). There is a lot on the site now but NOT everything. One or two documents are conspicuously missing although the infamous 26 July 2018 briefing document is included. The Mayor's briefing notes do give some interesting insight into what has gone wrong with the testing phases, class 345 reliability and other things. It's also, if you've got any relevant railway knowledge and experience, a tad exasperating as to how people were still expecting major activities to "come right" at the last minute and for the operators to perform miracles in terms of handover. |
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 10, 2018 20:48:42 GMT
Blanked out Crossrail signs seen at Liverpool Street and Moorgate stations a few days ago... Photos by me
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Post by flippyff on Dec 10, 2018 22:17:03 GMT
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