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Post by PiccNT on May 2, 2018 8:44:33 GMT
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Post by DWS on May 2, 2018 18:10:52 GMT
ASLEF have more train operators on the Jubilee line than RMT, have ASLEF agreed the new duties due to come in on Sunday 20th May 2018 ? |
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Post by philthetube on May 4, 2018 16:33:37 GMT
Jubilee line drivers are being balloted over increased Saturday working, I was under the impression that aslef had secured a deal where there would be no more increases in weekend work, presumably I was wrong.
I also wonder if more services are required on a Saturday, and if this is a good use of the stretched finances of the underground?
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Post by goldenarrow on May 4, 2018 16:55:13 GMT
The travel patterns that the Tube now sees has changed with it's growing population and ever changing changing economic climate. The notion that Sunday is a day of rest on the Tube is rapidly becoming a myth in many areas that within the decade would have once been considered back waters. Even if the dip in passenger numbers is shown to be more than a blip, the Tube cannot simply throw everything at trying to pass as many people as possible through the network during the peaks on weekdays.
Sticking to the Jubilee line, it passes through areas that have really become names in their own right since the JLE, watching trains come into Stratford on a Sunday would give the impression of a weekday rush hour. exhibitions at the Excel mean that Canning Town is significantly busier at weekends plus the ongoing redevelopment of that wider area which is in turn going to contribute it's own traffic. North Greenwich by Tube is still the quickest way to access the O2 by public transport from Central London and Greenwich Peninsula itself has ambitions to become a leisure destination itself which fuelling future weekend traffic. And these are places that have only come into being or seen major works since the Millennium, the line serves the tourist spots such as historic Westminster, Baker Street and Bond Street need no introduction. Inspite of this I admit that 30tph on the face of it does sound excessive but you only have to spend some time on the capitals transport network on the weekend to realize just how much potential there is for weekend travellers for leisure and a substantial work force that rises to cater for it.
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Post by North End on May 4, 2018 17:17:32 GMT
The travel patterns that the Tube now sees has changed with it's growing population and ever changing changing economic climate. The notion that Sunday is a day of rest on the Tube is rapidly becoming a myth in many areas that within the decade would have once been considered back waters. Even if the dip in passenger numbers is shown to be more than a blip, the Tube cannot simply throw everything at trying to pass as many people as possible through the network during the peaks on weekdays. Sticking to the Jubilee line, it passes through areas that have really become names in their own right since the JLE, watching trains come into Straford on a Sunday would give the impression of a weekday rush hour. exhibitions at the Excel mean that Canning Town is significantly busier at weekends plus the ongoing redevelopment of that wider area which is in turn going to contribute it's own traffic. North Greenwich by Tube is still the quickest way to access the O2 by public transport from Central London and Greenwich Peninsula itself has ambitions to become a leisure destination itself which fueling future weekend traffic. And these are places that have only come into being or seen major works since the Millennium, the line serves the tourist spots such as historic Westminster, Baker Street and Bond Street need no introduction. Inspite of this I admit that 30tph on the face of it does sound excessive but you only have to spend some time on the capitals transport network on the weekend to realize just how much potential there is for weekend travelers for leisure. How about LU resources the services it is already committed to run first? On many lines and at many depots cancellations are nowadays very common at weekends, and in some locations this had spread to the week too. Seems like LU is trying to stretch resources too thin and plan services with resources which aren’t there. Since the new timetable came in on the Northern it’s noticeable how gappy the service has got. It’s pretty routine to look at the diagram and see quite big sections without any trains, or turn up at a station to find gaps of 6-9 minutes on what should be a 3-minute service. Weekends, bank holidays, school holidays, major events, nice weather (etc) will be even worse. |
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Post by goldenarrow on May 4, 2018 18:55:05 GMT
North End , Forgive me for my pessimistic tone but I don't believe that London Underground would be allowed to correct themselves or purposely raise its issues with the current climate because there are too many people enforcing to many convoluted/wayward objectives and refusing to see the reality of the situation which of course would contradict their personal/political/commercial mandates (not asking for names) Methinks that they'll be dammed if they do but also dammed if they don't. The only difference I see is where the blame will fall if things go awry.
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 4, 2018 19:32:23 GMT
Expanding the Jubilee Line service on Saturdays is nothing to do with demand, its just management trying to see what they can get away with.
I spend most Saturdays on the Central Line and its obvious that 24tph-27tph, Leytonstone to White City, 08:30-22:00, is far more than passenger demand requires. We're driving around with half empty trains while we don't have enough staff to cover the weekday service and are cancelling trains
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Post by londoner on May 4, 2018 23:27:36 GMT
Expanding the Jubilee Line service on Saturdays is nothing to do with demand, its just management trying to see what they can get away with. I spend most Saturdays on the Central Line and its obvious that 24tph-27tph, Leytonstone to White City, 08:30-22:00, is far more than passenger demand requires. We're driving around with half empty trains while we don't have enough staff to cover the weekday service and are cancelling trains Do you have any statistics to back these claims up? |
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 5, 2018 0:34:20 GMT
I don't have any statistics to support my claims but then as far as I'm aware London Underground doesn't have any statistics to support their claims that the service needs expanding.
What I do have is 15 years empirical observation as a Central Line tube driver of knowing when we are busy or when we aren't busy plus 20 years experience as a London Underground employee to know that management are completely incompetent and couldn't run a bath if their lives depended on it.
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Post by MoreToJack on May 5, 2018 6:25:45 GMT
I don't have any statistics to support my claims but then as far as I'm aware London Underground doesn't have any statistics to support their claims that the service needs expanding. What I do have is 15 years empirical observation as a Central Line tube driver of knowing when we are busy or when we aren't busy plus 20 years experience as a London Underground employee to know that management are completely incompetent and couldn't run a bath if their lives depended on it. It's okay, people on the Internet say that staff experience counts for nothing, so that's all that matters. 🤷🏼♂️ |
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Post by londoner on May 5, 2018 19:06:11 GMT
I don't have any statistics to support my claims but then as far as I'm aware London Underground doesn't have any statistics to support their claims that the service needs expanding. What I do have is 15 years empirical observation as a Central Line tube driver of knowing when we are busy or when we aren't busy plus 20 years experience as a London Underground employee to know that management are completely incompetent and couldn't run a bath if their lives depended on it. It's okay, people on the Internet say that staff experience counts for nothing, so that's all that matters. 🤷🏼♂️ I haven't said anything to suggest what you are inferring... I don't have any statistics to support my claims but then as far as I'm aware London Underground doesn't have any statistics to support their claims that the service needs expanding. It would be interesting to listen to their reasons. What reasons have they given staff? What I do have is 15 years empirical observation as a Central Line tube driver of knowing when we are busy or when we aren't busy plus 20 years experience as a London Underground employee to know that management are completely incompetent and couldn't run a bath if their lives depended on it. I asked whether you had access to data which I couldn't see - not, as implied to ignore someones previous experience - but because I have found the opposite to be true so I was surprised. The trains appear well loaded to me, but of course, I am just a passenger. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 5, 2018 19:17:08 GMT
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Post by hobbayne on May 6, 2018 16:30:26 GMT
I doubt they will get much support from subStandard readers. They are on £100,000 a year with 12 weeks holiday. Let them work more weekends the greedy ******s!!
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Post by drainrat on May 10, 2018 17:52:40 GMT
Jubilee line drivers are being balloted over increased Saturday working, I was under the impression that aslef had secured a deal where there would be no more increases in weekend work, presumably I was wrong. I also wonder if more services are required on a Saturday, and if this is a good use of the stretched finances of the underground? Probably more dodgy dealings from their east end TFC rep 🤔 |
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Post by drainrat on May 10, 2018 18:01:32 GMT
It's okay, people on the Internet say that staff experience counts for nothing, so that's all that matters. 🤷🏼♂️ I haven't said anything to suggest what you are inferring... I don't have any statistics to support my claims but then as far as I'm aware London Underground doesn't have any statistics to support their claims that the service needs expanding. It would be interesting to listen to their reasons. What reasons have they given staff? What I do have is 15 years empirical observation as a Central Line tube driver of knowing when we are busy or when we aren't busy plus 20 years experience as a London Underground employee to know that management are completely incompetent and couldn't run a bath if their lives depended on it. I asked whether you had access to data which I couldn't see - not, as implied to ignore someones previous experience - but because I have found the opposite to be true so I was surprised. The trains appear well loaded to me, but of course, I am just a passenger. It's all about traffic light targets and LCH and footfalls etc. etc. Where there is a place of pink fluffy clouds, rainbow coloured skies, purple seas and kaleidoscope unicorns where the only people who are able to see this reality are junior and middle TfL management, as they see us in operational grades living in the world of the shades of grey and their lords and masters in senior management flying up in the air 🙄 |
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Post by Chris M on May 10, 2018 18:04:39 GMT
Jubilee line drivers are being balloted over increased Saturday working, I was under the impression that aslef had secured a deal where there would be no more increases in weekend work, presumably I was wrong. I also wonder if more services are required on a Saturday, and if this is a good use of the stretched finances of the underground? Probably more dodgy dealings from their east end TFC rep 🤔 TFC? |
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Post by drainrat on May 10, 2018 18:14:52 GMT
Probably more dodgy dealings from their east end TFC rep 🤔 TFC? Sorry, Trains Functional Council. Full time release rep who negotiate train operator industrial issues. When local issues and disputes cannot be solved, they are raised through negotiation machinery to the TFC, where they are discussed with General Managers, Directors et al rather than local duty managers or Train Operations Managers |
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 16, 2018 13:03:04 GMT
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Post by snoggle on May 16, 2018 20:44:37 GMT
It's all about traffic light targets and LCH and footfalls etc. etc. Where there is a place of pink fluffy clouds, rainbow coloured skies, purple seas and kaleidoscope unicorns where the only people who are able to see this reality are junior and middle TfL management, as they see us in operational grades living in the world of the shades of grey and their lords and masters in senior management flying up in the air 🙄 Reassuring [1] to see that nothing has changed in terms of front line vs management attitudes in the 6 years since I left LU. As fractured and broken as ever they were. I assume that cuts to LU service levels are politically unacceptable even though it is clear that patronage in 2017/18 was way short of the budgeted numbers (as in preliminary results going to the Board next week - revenue £121m under forecast!). This seems to be a shame if there is a definite slump in patronage in the off peak *and* genuine problems in operating the scheduled service. Meanwhile the bus network is being cut regardless - presumably that is politically acceptable even though buses are the most used transport service.  [1] not really! |
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 21, 2018 13:40:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 14:08:44 GMT
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 31, 2018 12:09:04 GMT
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 31, 2018 12:41:26 GMT
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Post by PiccNT on Jun 1, 2018 10:57:11 GMT
Slightly off topic but you can add that the RMT are balloting for industrial action on both the Central and Piccadilly Lines over "a complete breakdown in industrial relations". Time to watch Groundhog Day again.
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Post by DWS on Jun 5, 2018 1:39:00 GMT
Are ASLEF drivers on strike on the Jubilee line on June 6 2018, as I see the District line action at Acton Town has been suspended .
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Post by MoreToJack on Jun 5, 2018 7:15:46 GMT
Are ASLEF drivers on strike on the Jubilee line on June 6 2018, as I see the District line action at Acton Town has been suspended . Tbe Jubilee strike remains 'on'. |
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Post by goldenarrow on Jun 5, 2018 7:52:05 GMT
From the TFL website:
Would this the first time that the S stock has called at Willesden Green in passenger service?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jun 5, 2018 8:36:27 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 5, 2018 8:55:05 GMT
Would this the first time that the S stock has called at Willesden Green in passenger service? Certainly happened before and photo in latest Underground News of one calling on Friday 27 April. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Jun 5, 2018 10:04:14 GMT
Would this the first time that the S stock has called at Willesden Green in passenger service? Certainly happened before and photo in latest Underground News of one calling on Friday 27 April. Happened frequently (also at Neasden) during the complete shut down of the Jubilee, and has happened frequently during Jubilee disruption over the past 8 years. Has also happened frequently during Met disruption to allow passengers off stalled trains. Calling at both NEA and WIG isn't as unusual as most people think. |
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