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Post by alicarr on Mar 12, 2018 12:51:17 GMT
I've had a go at making a "full" Tube map with the proposals in the 2018 Transport Strategy.  There are almost definitely errors - please do let me know if you spot any!  |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 12, 2018 13:25:35 GMT
solid orange line Edmonton Green-Cheshunt ?
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Post by alicarr on Mar 12, 2018 13:30:29 GMT
solid orange line Edmonton Green-Cheshunt ? Whoops! That's fixed - thank you! |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Mar 12, 2018 13:51:44 GMT
Barking Riverside missing?
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Post by alicarr on Mar 12, 2018 14:13:56 GMT
Barking Riverside missing? That's updated  |
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Post by class411 on Mar 12, 2018 14:25:50 GMT
In 'Key Lines and Symbols', 'Northern' is missing it's first 'r'.
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Post by profoblivion on Mar 12, 2018 14:26:48 GMT
Barking Riverside missing? That's updated I see two Amershams, but then it could be the new glasses ... |
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Post by alicarr on Mar 12, 2018 14:32:06 GMT
That's updated I see two Amershams, but then it could be the new glasses ... Chesham is now in its rightful place |
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Post by class315 on Mar 12, 2018 14:51:51 GMT
Very good effort, however on the West Ruislip branch on the central line. Hanger Lane is currently Eastcote and Perivale is Ruislip Manor.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 12, 2018 15:03:05 GMT
No Surrey Canal Road station?
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Post by alicarr on Mar 12, 2018 15:20:18 GMT
Very good effort, however on the West Ruislip branch on the central line. Hanger Lane is currently Eastcote and Perivale is Ruislip Manor. No Surrey Canal Road station? Thanks for both of these! |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 12, 2018 16:01:21 GMT
If Shepperton has a National Rail interchange symbol, Uxbridge should also be shown as an interchange. Both are dead end branches, and in both cases the only interchange possible is to turn round and go back the way you came. (Shepperton's only remaining NR service would be the currently-3-trains-per-day peak hour service to Waterloo via Richmond
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Post by alicarr on Mar 12, 2018 16:15:49 GMT
If Shepperton has a National Rail interchange symbol, Uxbridge should also be shown as an interchange. Both are dead end branches, and in both cases the only interchange possible is to turn round and go back the way you came. (Shepperton's only remaining NR service would be the currently-3-trains-per-day peak hour service to Waterloo via Richmond This is a good point. I'd followed the route map on the Crossrail 2 website, but (for exactly the reasons you say) it's strange that Shepperton has a NR interchange symbol and not (for instance) Hampton Court. I've changed the map to remove the symbol - and also corrected my misspelling of Upper Halliford. Edit: On my to-do list are also removing the interchange symbol for Kingston, for similar reasons, and also move the Thames so that CR2 crosses it between Kingston and Hampton Wick. |
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Post by banana99 on Mar 13, 2018 0:17:26 GMT
The area around Old Oak Common could be rationalised. You could eliminate one of the lines North and split remaining one further North. Likewise the lines can be split below OOC.
Good effort though. Nice.
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Post by alicarr on Mar 13, 2018 7:42:53 GMT
The area around Old Oak Common could be rationalised. You could eliminate one of the lines North and split remaining one further North. Likewise the lines can be split below OOC. Good effort though. Nice. Old Oak Common is a tricky one. Having the double lines north of OOC helps to emphasise that from Shepherd's Bush you wouldn't be able to get a direct train to Neasden, only to Willesden Junction. Having two separate Overground lines through OOC also emphasises the difference between Hythe Road and Old Oak Common Lane, which are planned to be two separate (but linked) stations. But - if you wanted to follow the philosophy of separating out the different Overground lines, you would really want to have three Overground lines running through OOC - one Richmond through Willesden Junction, one Hounslow through Neasden and one Shepherd's Bush through Willesden Junction. Perhaps then all three Overground Stations (OOC Lane, OOC Victoria Road and Hythe Road) could be labelled separately. I avoided doing this because it would be so much clutter (especially since the line would have to be doubled through Acton Central and South Acton), but perhaps the map as it stands is "worst-of-both-worlds" where it's sill quite cluttered but doesn't fully show how the different Overground lines will work. |
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Post by superteacher on Mar 13, 2018 7:50:44 GMT
alicarr, good work. EDIT: Have you given up any hope of the Croxley link being constructed? Also, you spelt Erith as Edith!
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Post by alicarr on Mar 13, 2018 11:42:28 GMT
alicarr , good work. EDIT: Have you given up any hope of the Croxley link being constructed? Also, you spelt Erith as Edith! I couldn't see the Croxley rail link explicitly mentioned in the 2018 Transport Strategy, so I went without it. I might have just failed to spot it, however. Thanks for spotting the Erith typo - that's now corrected! |
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Post by melikepie on Mar 13, 2018 13:42:37 GMT
Why does it show only Stratford International trains to Woolwich Arsenal whereas at present Bank trains also go there? And sometimes Stratford International trains go to Beckton as well
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Post by alicarr on Mar 13, 2018 13:57:32 GMT
Why does it show only Stratford International trains to Woolwich Arsenal whereas at present Bank trains also go there? And sometimes Stratford International trains go to Beckton as well This is an error - many thanks for spotting this! |
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Post by snoggle on Mar 13, 2018 21:02:34 GMT
I thought the new West London orbital line ran from Hounslow to Hendon via Brent Cross Thameslink (new station to be built). You've shown it serving Cricklewood and West Hampstead which I thought had been discounted as a route option. I also thought there was supposed to be a station at Dudding Hill - is that what you've shown as Neasden?
I am surprised you've shown the Bakerloo Line as reach Hayes and Beckenham Junction. I thought those had basically been abandoned for now with the line running no further than Lewisham?
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Post by Chris M on Mar 13, 2018 22:57:15 GMT
The first stage of the Bakerloo extension is certainly to Lewisham only, but phase 2 by 2040 doesn't seem impossible.
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Post by alicarr on Mar 14, 2018 8:40:20 GMT
I thought the new West London orbital line ran from Hounslow to Hendon via Brent Cross Thameslink (new station to be built). You've shown it serving Cricklewood and West Hampstead which I thought had been discounted as a route option. I also thought there was supposed to be a station at Dudding Hill - is that what you've shown as Neasden? I am surprised you've shown the Bakerloo Line as reach Hayes and Beckenham Junction. I thought those had basically been abandoned for now with the line running no further than Lewisham? The latest transport strategy appeared to have both routes as options:  I didn't know which was more likely, so I (completely arbitrarily) picked the route which involved another interchange with LU, since it made for a slightly more interesting map. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 11:45:47 GMT
Really nice map!
Wandsworth Town on this map should be 'Wandsworth Road' (Town is on South Western Railway, further west)
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Post by melikepie on Mar 14, 2018 14:08:11 GMT
I'm not sure if these proposed stations are in the transport plan but do you think Renwick Road (between Barking Riverside and Barking, maybe interchanging with C2C) and Bricklayers Arms (between Elephant & Castle and Burgess Park on the Bakerloo Line Extension) should be added? They are extra stations brought about through consultations with the public.
Actually another error is that the National Rail symbol at Elmers End should be removed as from what I understood, the Bakerloo line will not be sharing with National Rail but absorbing the lines.
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Post by alicarr on Mar 14, 2018 18:38:17 GMT
Really nice map! Wandsworth Town on this map should be 'Wandsworth Road' (Town is on South Western Railway, further west) Thank you - I've corrected this! I'm not sure if these proposed stations are in the transport plan but do you think Renwick Road (between Barking Riverside and Barking, maybe interchanging with C2C) and Bricklayers Arms (between Elephant & Castle and Burgess Park on the Bakerloo Line Extension) should be added? They are extra stations brought about through consultations with the public. It's tricky. I've gone for only trying to include routes / stations that are in the March strategy to try and have as objective a criterion as possible (although even then it's not perfect, given that the document can be vague or give alternative options), and also to avoid the map looking too much like the 2050 Tube Map that was made a few years ago - so I'd lean towards leaving these two out. But it's very tough, and there are other proposals which I'm on the fence about including - like Crossrail 2 to Hackney or a DLR/Overground extension to Thamesmead. Actually another error is that the National Rail symbol at Elmers End should be removed as from what I understood, the Bakerloo line will not be sharing with National Rail but absorbing the lines. Good point! I'd (mistakenly) thought that the NR services from Hayes that don't go via Lewisham would still run - it looks like they wouldn't. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 14, 2018 18:58:19 GMT
I'd (mistakenly) thought that the NR services from Hayes that don't go via Lewisham would still run - it looks like they wouldn't. Although the other end of the Bakerloo has grandfather rights to mix Tube-sized and NR trains on the same tracks, it is most unlkely the practice would be allowed to be extended to any further lines! |
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Post by alicarr on Mar 17, 2018 17:47:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 18:09:47 GMT
On the evening standard article, one of the captions for a picture of the NLE state "a possible extension to Battersea" as if the tunnels haven't already been dug out. It's a good map and deserves recognition. It looks better than TFL's try to put crossrail on the map at least. |
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Post by cso on Mar 17, 2018 18:12:30 GMT
Looks nice! Intrigued to know how you drew it though?
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Post by alicarr on Mar 17, 2018 21:23:37 GMT
On the evening standard article, one of the captions for a picture of the NLE state "a possible extension to Battersea" as if the tunnels haven't already been dug out. I noticed that! Tons of people don't even know about Crossrail - I guess a useful impact of making these kinds of maps would be to raise awareness about them. Looks nice! Intrigued to know how you drew it though? I drew the maps using Inkscape. It's very easy to use - I'd never used Inkscape at all until I tried making Tube maps with it. The trickiest part is doing the curves which join the line segments up, especially around the Circle line where you have multiple curves that need to fit around each other. |
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