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Post by superteacher on Mar 7, 2018 22:38:39 GMT
This phenomenon can be observed by boarding a Hainault via Woodford service. These trains aren’t timetabled and are therefore fairly rare, and seem to confuse those who think it’s the same as Woodford via Hainault. It’s hilarious watching hordes of grumpy and tutting people shuffling their way over the footbridge to the westbound platform to take them back to Leytonstone!
Is it really that difficult, especially when the driver announces that the next stop is Snaresbrook. . .
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Post by jamesb on Mar 7, 2018 23:04:04 GMT
The indicator board at Stratford was displaying "Hainault" at around 19:00ish, without specifying via...
I assumed that "Hainault" without a via... meant that it would be going via Woodford.
Serves people right, for not listening to the driver...
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Post by superteacher on Mar 7, 2018 23:10:40 GMT
The indicator board at Stratford was displaying "Hainault" at around 19:00ish, without specifying via... I assumed that "Hainault" without a via... meant that it would be going via Woodford. Serves people right, for not listening to the driver... So which way did it go? The “default” is via Newbury Park. I too have seen trains descrIbed as just “Hainault”, in which case I would go by the destination on the train. |
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Post by jamesb on Mar 8, 2018 9:14:53 GMT
I didn't catch it, so I don't know (I was on the Westbound platform at the time)... There was another train on the board indicating Hainault via Newbury Park, but I could imagine people getting on the Hainault train expecting to go via Newbury Park (as 99% of the trains would be) and ending up at Snaresbrook (if they didn't pay attention). Although I agree that there would be plenty of opportunities to see if it was going via Woodford - such as the destination of the train & the announcements.
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Post by class411 on Mar 8, 2018 9:37:40 GMT
I'm completely bemused.
I assume you are talking about people boarding at or to the south of Leytonstone.
In which case the two options after Leytonstone are:
Snaresbrook
South Woodford
Woodford
Roding Valley
Chigwell
Grange Hill
Hainault
or
Wanstead
Redbridge
Gants Hill
Newbury Park
Barkingside
Fairlop
Hainault
If passengers don't like the route and detrain at Snaresbrook they then have
Cross bridge
Wait for next train
Leytonstone
Detrain
Wait for next correct Hainault train
Wanstead
Redbridge
Gants Hill
Newbury Park
Barkingside
Fairlop
Hainault
Is there some sort of 'Edgeware of the North' on the Hainault via Woodford run where trains stop and wait indefinitely? Or am I missing something much more obvious?
ETA: Looking at some older diagrams it appears that something odd happens at Woodford but it's not entirely clear what.
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Post by trt on Mar 8, 2018 9:39:03 GMT
Hainault, Hainault.
Don't dream it's over (a footbridge).
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Post by steeevooo on Mar 8, 2018 9:41:24 GMT
I don't think the issue is for people going to Hainault, more for those that actually wanted to alight at Wanstead, Redbridge &c...
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Post by class411 on Mar 8, 2018 9:43:42 GMT
I don't think the issue is for people going to Hainault, more for those that actually wanted to alight at Wanstead, Redbridge &c... I knew I was missing something obvious. Doh! |
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Post by superteacher on Mar 8, 2018 9:50:59 GMT
I don't think the issue is for people going to Hainault, more for those that actually wanted to alight at Wanstead, Redbridge &c... I knew I was missing something obvious. Doh! Ha ha, go and have a lie down now class411   |
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Post by ducatisti on Mar 8, 2018 14:19:45 GMT
I'm completely bemused. ETA: Looking at some older diagrams it appears that something odd happens at Woodford but it's not entirely clear what. Many odd things happen in Woodford and beyond...  Heading east, I need an Epping train, so it's not an issue for me, but I have seen a couple of permutations of trains to Hainault that could catch out the unwary (two trains in succession for Hainault going the opposite way round the loop) |
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Post by superteacher on Mar 8, 2018 14:56:29 GMT
I saw this on a destination board once:
1. Hainault via Woodford
2. Woodford via Hainault
3. Hainault via Newbury Park
The only other “via” destination is Grange Hill via Woodford, but we weren’t grazed with that on this occasion.
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Post by class411 on Mar 8, 2018 15:07:22 GMT
I knew I was missing something obvious. Doh! Ha ha, go and have a lie down now class411 Feeling better, now. Wibble. |
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Post by Chris M on Mar 8, 2018 22:19:00 GMT
The only other “via” destination is Grange Hill via Woodford, but we weren’t grazed with that on this occasion. The cows are quite picky about which passengers they will eat these days. |
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Post by hobbayne on Mar 8, 2018 23:29:05 GMT
Although it is rare for a train to go to Hai via Woodford (Not a timetabled move) The 92 stock unlike its predecessor does not mind which way it goes, as there is no A or D end.
Trains can go quite happily round the loop in either direction.
Unfortunately, the driver can make as many announcements as he likes. 90% of the travelling public are plugged into their ipods via their earphones and are oblivious to any announcements.
Cue the Snaresbrook shuffle phenomenon.
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 9, 2018 0:34:41 GMT
A few weeks ago I fell victim to this... first time in many decades! I was reading a magazine with so much concentration that I did not hear the announcements at Leytonstone. But I did notice that the sound of the journey did not change as it usually does when the train had entered the tunnel, and when I looked up and out the window I realised what I'd done.
My defence is that I felt sure that the train describer at Stratford said that a Hainualt via Newbury Park was first, not an Epping train. ah well...
Simon
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Post by superteacher on Mar 9, 2018 7:23:07 GMT
A few weeks ago I fell victim to this... first time in many decades! I was reading a magazine with so much concentration that I did not hear the announcements at Leytonstone. But I did notice that the sound of the journey did not change as it usually does when the train had entered the tunnel, and when I looked up and out the window I realised what I'd done. My defence is that I felt sure that the train describer at Stratford said that a Hainualt via Newbury Park was first, not an Epping train. ah well... Simon Simon your “I’ve done the Snaresbrook Shuffle” T shirt is in the post . . . |
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Post by MoreToJack on Mar 9, 2018 9:05:13 GMT
Is the west end equivalent the West Acton Wiggle? I've done that far more times than I really should admit... 😳
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Post by superteacher on Mar 9, 2018 9:09:27 GMT
Is the west end equivalent the West Acton Wiggle? I've done that far more times than I really should admit... 😳 No excuse for that one I’m afraid! |
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Post by MoreToJack on Mar 9, 2018 9:16:30 GMT
Is the west end equivalent the West Acton Wiggle? I've done that far more times than I really should admit... 😳 No excuse for that one I’m afraid! Night shifts are my perfectly valid excuse. 😅 |
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Post by superteacher on Mar 9, 2018 9:21:28 GMT
No excuse for that one I’m afraid! Night shifts are my perfectly valid excuse. 😅 Ha ha. But the only destination that can get you to West Acton is Ealing Broadway, so it does require a higher level of ineptitude to muck it up! And anyway, the West Acton Wiggle is inferior due to the lack of a footbridge of shame . . . |
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Post by djlynch on Mar 9, 2018 19:34:50 GMT
No excuse for that one I’m afraid! Night shifts are my perfectly valid excuse. 😅 Not long after Heathrow T5 opened, I arrived on the platform at T1,2,3 so jet-lagged that I forgot the extension existed, assumed that the people with suitcases who didn't get off were coming from T4 and the DVA announcements about a destination of Heathrow were in error, and only realized that I wasn't on an eastbound train when the platform roundel at T5 station came into view. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Mar 9, 2018 19:38:17 GMT
Night shifts are my perfectly valid excuse. 😅 Ha ha. But the only destination that can get you to West Acton is Ealing Broadway, so it does require a higher level of ineptitude to muck it up! And anyway, the West Acton Wiggle is inferior due to the lack of a footbridge of shame . . . I can't cope with destinations comprised of more than 1 to 3 letters... 😉 |
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Post by Deep Level on Mar 9, 2018 21:34:09 GMT
This evening I witnessed the display showing:
Woodford
Hainault via Woodford
Hainault via Newbury Park
I'm going to assume this is down to the Minor Delays and I'm also going to have to assume the first train was via Snaresbrook.
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Post by hobbayne on Mar 9, 2018 22:38:47 GMT
This evening I witnessed the display showing: Woodford Hainault via Woodford Hainault via Newbury Park I'm going to assume this is down to the Minor Delays and I'm also going to have to assume the first train was via Snaresbrook. First 2 trains are via Snaresbrook. |
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Post by Deep Level on Mar 9, 2018 23:06:26 GMT
This evening I witnessed the display showing: Woodford Hainault via Woodford Hainault via Newbury Park I'm going to assume this is down to the Minor Delays and I'm also going to have to assume the first train was via Snaresbrook. First 2 trains are via Snaresbrook. Yes but the second one was self explanatory. |
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Post by hobbayne on Mar 10, 2018 0:13:44 GMT
First 2 trains are via Snaresbrook. Yes but the second one was self explanatory. Sorry, I misunderstood your post. |
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Post by superteacher on Mar 10, 2018 1:04:58 GMT
Even a plain “Woodford” destination can lead to a Snaresbrook Shuffle, as some people do assume it’s running to Woodford via the loop.
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Post by jamesb on Mar 10, 2018 1:36:14 GMT
Even a plain “Woodford” destination can lead to a Snaresbrook Shuffle, as some people do assume it’s running to Woodford via the loop. Does the system have the capacity to say "Woodford via Snaresbrook"? The only alternative would be to label the train as Epping and then change it to Woodford after it has passed Leytonstone - perhaps that would create a Snaresbrook tsunami ! |
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Post by superteacher on Mar 10, 2018 1:53:06 GMT
Even a plain “Woodford” destination can lead to a Snaresbrook Shuffle, as some people do assume it’s running to Woodford via the loop. Does the system have the capacity to say "Woodford via Snaresbrook"? The only alternative would be to label the train as Epping and then change it to Woodford after it has passed Leytonstone - perhaps that would create a Snaresbrook tsunami ! No Woodford via Snaresbrook isn’t an option. As for displaying Epping then changing to Woodford, you’d get a lot of angry passengers! |
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Post by scheduler on Mar 14, 2018 0:50:47 GMT
I just can't see any logic in it. Why would you run a Hainault via Woodford followed by a Hainault via Newbury Park, when the only logical reason to run Hainhault via Woodford would be a blockage eastbound between Leytonstone and Hainault, that means by running the loop the opposite way you can maintain westbound service via Newbury Park.
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