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Post by superteacher on Dec 10, 2017 9:02:26 GMT
From the TFL website:
Metropolitan Line: No service Wembley Park to Amersham/Chesham/Watford and Uxbridge due to power supply problems caused by snow ALSO no service Wembley Park to Aldgate due to planned engineering work. London Underground tickets will be accepted on local bus services.
Surely that’s the whole line then!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 9:08:45 GMT
Stalled train at Ruislip Manor due to dual ACM failure Fallen tree at Chalfont and Latimer Point failure at Harrow On Hill and Northwood and Uxbridge
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 9:09:28 GMT
Yep just spoke to my colleague and it's totally suspended, sleet trains were run overnight, deicers are showing their blue lights. During the handover one train was stalled at Ruislip Manor but as I was leaving it was to move again, I guess it probably wasn't now
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 9:21:12 GMT
Yep just spoke to my colleague and it's totally suspended, sleet trains were run overnight, deicers are showing their blue lights. During the handover one train was stalled at Ruislip Manor but as I was leaving it was to move again, I guess it probably wasn't now Been stuck at Eastcote for atleast 15mins
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 9:29:00 GMT
Yep just spoke to my colleague and it's totally suspended, sleet trains were run overnight, deicers are showing their blue lights. During the handover one train was stalled at Ruislip Manor but as I was leaving it was to move again, I guess it probably wasn't now Been stuck at Eastcote for atleast 15mins Is that W/b or E/b? Also which points are failing at Uxbridge?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 9:43:25 GMT
E/B 29 points at Uxbridge
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Post by Chris M on Dec 10, 2017 11:31:54 GMT
Stalled train at Ruislip Manor due to dual ACM failure ACM?
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Post by londoner on Dec 10, 2017 11:40:20 GMT
All routes in my area are suspended. Bakerloo line says good service whilst Overground has severe delays on Watford DC line. I smell bull there...Pic and Met is out in my parts. No reliable bus service to Central line stations either. Good luck to those needing to travel today!
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Post by robv on Dec 10, 2017 12:00:21 GMT
Stalled train at Ruislip Manor due to dual ACM failure ACM? Second the questioning of this as never seen that shortening before
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Post by domh245 on Dec 10, 2017 12:10:47 GMT
I think it may stand for Auxiliary Converter Module (which is S stock specific). I want to say that it fulfils a similar purpose to Motor Alternators on older units.
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 10, 2017 12:25:14 GMT
Stalled train at Ruislip Manor due to dual ACM failure ACM? Actual Control Machine. These were installed at the front of each train in 2037 and provides actual control to the train; instructions when to start, stop and so on. Previously known as a "train operator".
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Post by North End on Dec 10, 2017 12:49:45 GMT
All routes in my area are suspended. Bakerloo line says good service whilst Overground has severe delays on Watford DC line. I smell bull there...Pic and Met is out in my parts. No reliable bus service to Central line stations either. Good luck to those needing to travel today! Northern Line now running special timetable. Barnet branch was screwed up thanks to TBTC. Train went non-communicating approaching East Finchley s/b, managed to stop with cars 1 and 6 off current (either due to ice on current rails or simply stopped over rail gaps), train went into loadshed, but was able to be got moving once manager arrived. The length of the sitdown was enough to set off a domino effect and a whole load of minor things then cropped up. Absolutely no preparation for anything anywhere - not a good reflection on the current LU senior management as this wouldn't have happened even 5 years ago. Confirms the general feeling at the moment that LU is a sinking ship drifting aimlessly in the sea. Just as well it's Sunday...
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Post by t697 on Dec 10, 2017 13:35:31 GMT
I think it may stand for Auxiliary Converter Module (which is S stock specific). I want to say that it fulfils a similar purpose to Motor Alternators on older units. Absolutely correct.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 13:38:15 GMT
Sorry thought it was mentioned before my bad
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Post by Tomcakes on Dec 10, 2017 13:56:42 GMT
All routes in my area are suspended. Bakerloo line says good service whilst Overground has severe delays on Watford DC line. I smell bull there...Pic and Met is out in my parts. No reliable bus service to Central line stations either. Good luck to those needing to travel today! Northern Line now running special timetable. Barnet branch was screwed up thanks to TBTC. Train went non-communicating approaching East Finchley s/b, managed to stop with cars 1 and 6 off current (either due to ice on current rails or simply stopped over rail gaps), train went into loadshed, but was able to be got moving once manager arrived. The length of the sitdown was enough to set off a domino effect and a whole load of minor things then cropped up. Absolutely no preparation for anything anywhere - not a good reflection on the current LU senior management as this wouldn't have happened even 5 years ago. Confirms the general feeling at the moment that LU is a sinking ship drifting aimlessly in the sea. Just as well it's Sunday... There was a short while where LUL staff were advising people to catch buses instead, simultaneously buses were terminating and advising people to use the tube instead!
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Post by John Tuthill on Dec 10, 2017 14:48:43 GMT
All routes in my area are suspended. Bakerloo line says good service whilst Overground has severe delays on Watford DC line. I smell bull there...Pic and Met is out in my parts. No reliable bus service to Central line stations either. Good luck to those needing to travel today! Northern Line now running special timetable. Barnet branch was screwed up thanks to TBTC. Train went non-communicating approaching East Finchley s/b, managed to stop with cars 1 and 6 off current (either due to ice on current rails or simply stopped over rail gaps), train went into loadshed, but was able to be got moving once manager arrived. The length of the sitdown was enough to set off a domino effect and a whole load of minor things then cropped up. Absolutely no preparation for anything anywhere - not a good reflection on the current LU senior management as this wouldn't have happened even 5 years ago. Confirms the general feeling at the moment that LU is a sinking ship drifting aimlessly in the sea. Just as well it's Sunday... Shouldn't make any difference. The snow was well forcasted by the Met. Office. Obviously no ex boy scouts in the management! Probably too busy trying to work out the complexity of running a bath
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 17:26:11 GMT
Mmm... 29 pts were throwing ok overnight and i had 2 trains go over them once the service started
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 10, 2017 19:03:28 GMT
Service getting closer to normality, still no through City service or on the Chesham branch. Is the early closure between Wembley and Aldgate after 8:30PM still set to go ahead?
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Post by metrailway on Dec 10, 2017 19:03:48 GMT
I believe about 7 inches of snow fell in the Chilterns today. Not just the Met having problems; most trains on the Chiltern line via High Wycombe were cancelled and the A41 has been closed most of the day.
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Post by Chris M on Dec 10, 2017 19:43:52 GMT
Service getting closer to normality, still no through City service or on the Chesham branch. Is the early closure between Wembley and Aldgate after 8:30PM still set to go ahead? I believe that there was a planned closure of the Met south of Wembley Park all day today, independent of the snow.
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 10, 2017 19:48:31 GMT
Service getting closer to normality, still no through City service or on the Chesham branch. Is the early closure between Wembley and Aldgate after 8:30PM still set to go ahead? I believe that there was a planned closure of the Met south of Wembley Park all day today, independent of the snow. The opening post of this thread reads: From the TFL website: Metropolitan Line: No service Wembley Park to Amersham/Chesham/Watford and Uxbridge due to power supply problems caused by snow ALSO no service Wembley Park to Aldgate due to planned engineering work. London Underground tickets will be accepted on local bus services.No further comment necessary!
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Post by North End on Dec 10, 2017 19:55:27 GMT
I believe that there was a planned closure of the Met south of Wembley Park all day today, independent of the snow. The opening post of this thread reads: From the TFL website: Metropolitan Line: No service Wembley Park to Amersham/Chesham/Watford and Uxbridge due to power supply problems caused by snow ALSO no service Wembley Park to Aldgate due to planned engineering work. London Underground tickets will be accepted on local bus services.No further comment necessary! I love the way it’s all down to power supply problems. Some PR spin there. The level of preparation was woeful. Some pretty ungrateful punters out today too, the typical weekend types who expect everything to be organised round their every need and then a tantrum when something isn’t to their liking. A lot of staff made a lot of effort to get in to work today, often in dangerous conditions, to provide some sort of service. It’s always rather satisfying to see the look on these self-important types faces when they are told to fend for themselves and find their own way to travel. They can see what’s going on, yet expect everything to be normal.
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 10, 2017 20:11:15 GMT
The opening post of this thread reads:No further comment necessary! Some pretty ungrateful punters out today too, the typical weekend types who expect everything to be organised round their every need and then a tantrum when something isn’t to their liking. Two inches of snow in the north and the Pacer still bounces along. Two centimetres of slush in central London and the transport network dies. The level of preparation was woeful. I quite agree, 15hours before I'm due to start work tomorrow I received an SMS from my work reminding me of the forecast and to allow extra time for my journey to work.
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Post by North End on Dec 10, 2017 20:20:12 GMT
Some pretty ungrateful punters out today too, the typical weekend types who expect everything to be organised round their every need and then a tantrum when something isn’t to their liking. Two inches of snow in the north and the Pacer still bounces along. Two centimetres of slush in central London and the transport network dies. The level of preparation was woeful. I quite agree, 15hours before I'm due to start work tomorrow I received an SMS from my work reminding me of the forecast and to allow extra time for my journey to work. To be honest, given the attitude of some punters today, I’d have been quite happy just to see the whole system closed down. Christmas shopping isn’t an essential journey... On the plus side, I’ve finally found something positive about night tube, in that it provides a service of sleet trains. A very expensive way of doing it though!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 20:59:16 GMT
Mmm... 29 pts were throwing ok overnight and i had 2 trains go over them once the service started Thats what was said at work obviously don't work on the Met so can not comment any further
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Post by superteacher on Dec 10, 2017 22:10:11 GMT
Quite appalling that the disruption has lasted all day. We’ve had worse conditions then this before with less disruption.
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Post by North End on Dec 10, 2017 22:32:54 GMT
Quite appalling that the disruption has lasted all day. We’ve had worse conditions then this before with less disruption. Depends. Whilst the Northern had two or three hours of utter carnage, once the special service was established the line behaved itself. With a special service once it’s in there are only two opportunities to take it out - when the late turns book on, or at close of traffic. There will always be issues with crewing arrangements, especially if roads are disrupted or gridlocked. Please don’t see this as an advert for driverless trains, as it’s days like today when well trained staff prove their worth and earn their money. What could and should have been better was contingency arrangements. De-icing of premises, response staff on standby in strategic locations (overtime offered), assets like point heaters checked in the days leading up, trains topped up with de icing fluid, etc. It seems pretty much nothing was done. One also has to consider the general deskilling of staff across the combine. Many trains managers aren’t trained on rolling stock now, and LU seems to like the idea of “generalists”. For example, a manager doesn’t need to be trained on rolling stock as a car examiner will be sent to an incident and the driver should know their stock. In real life this just doesn’t hold true. No chance of getting a train tech out to the sticks, and whilst they may know a bit about the trains, they don’t know the full picture especially things like how the train may interface with signalling. Real life also shows wide variability in the competence of train operators in dealing with issues - some are superb but many are not, especially on lines where the trains don’t go wrong often. I think with the current lost-ship-floating-aimlessly-in-the-sea mentality of LU we are sadly going to see a lot more of this.
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Post by John Tuthill on Dec 10, 2017 22:38:35 GMT
Quite appalling that the disruption has lasted all day. We’ve had worse conditions then this before with less disruption. Depends. Whilst the Northern had two or three hours of utter carnage, once the special service was established the line behaved itself. With a special service once it’s in there are only two opportunities to take it out - when the late turns book on, or at close of traffic. There will always be issues with crewing arrangements, especially if roads are disrupted or gridlocked. Please don’t see this as an advert for driverless trains, as it’s days like today when well trained staff prove their worth and earn their money. What could and should have been better was contingency arrangements. De-icing of premises, response staff on standby in strategic locations (overtime offered), assets like point heaters checked in the days leading up, trains topped up with de icing fluid, etc. It seems pretty much nothing was done. One also has to consider the general deskilling of staff across the combine. Many trains managers aren’t trained on rolling stock now, and LU seems to like the idea of “generalists”. For example, a manager doesn’t need to be trained on rolling stock as a car examiner will be sent to an incident and the driver should know their stock. In real life this just doesn’t hold true. No chance of getting a train tech out to the sticks, and whilst they may know a bit about the trains, they don’t know the full picture especially things like how the train may interface with signalling. Real life also shows wide variability in the competence of train operators in dealing with issues - some are superb but many are not, especially on lines where the trains don’t go wrong often. I think with the current lost-ship-floating-aimlessly-in-the-sea mentality of LU we are sadly going to see a lot more of this. And that my son is progress(God help us all)
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 10, 2017 23:37:32 GMT
Just seen on the News that the M25 was blocked earlier today because it hadn't been gritted, so it seems LU were not the only ones caught on the hop. I didn't see a forecast last night though - was any snow forecast this far south?
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Post by cso on Dec 11, 2017 0:09:03 GMT
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