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Post by Dstock7080 on May 7, 2018 8:45:30 GMT
Thought there was only 1 sandite car, so this is the one that has already gone for scrap. One Sandite car 6036, usually paired with unit 5110/11, which has now gone (car 6110 remains temporarily in Museum Depot) Unit 5234/35 is a spare unit for this.
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Post by Ben on May 7, 2018 13:40:24 GMT
Might have been better to save 6036 instead of 6110, but beggars cant be choosers, and certainly the more that ends up saved the better!
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 7, 2018 15:02:28 GMT
Might have been better to save 6036 instead of 6110, but beggars cant be choosers, and certainly the more that ends up saved the better! I don’t believe 6110 is staying at the Depot long term.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 17:52:09 GMT
Might have been better to save 6036 instead of 6110, but beggars cant be choosers, and certainly the more that ends up saved the better! I don’t believe 6110 is staying at the Depot long term. It depends on a decision by the museum. There is talk of converting it into a generator car to run the Q stock on heritage railways.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 10:17:22 GMT
6110 is still on the alps the rest have gone
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Post by superteacher on May 25, 2018 23:16:05 GMT
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Post by jayjaycee on Oct 19, 2018 12:44:50 GMT
After standing in the station it made a leisurely exit southbound and then stood alongside the carriage depot for several minutes before continuing south.
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Post by Chris W on Oct 19, 2018 20:50:53 GMT
After standing in the station it made a leisurely exit southbound and then stood alongside the carriage depot for several minutes before continuing south. Are you suggesting it traveled by road (scrap) or via rail (possibly into Acton Works)
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Post by jayjaycee on Oct 20, 2018 13:41:33 GMT
No, it was in service , after standing in Rickmansworth station it set off southbound as a five car set. I don't know if it was heading to Neasden or going round the North Curve to Watford
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 14:31:12 GMT
No, it was in service , after standing in Rickmansworth station it set off southbound as a five car set. I don't know if it was heading to Neasden or going round the North Curve to Watford Not going to lie to you. It does this a few times a day, so far everyday since 08/10/18 haha
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 15, 2018 12:21:47 GMT
Yesterday (14th Nov) I was out hunting 'rat' trains. My chosen location (this time) was Moor Park station.
Apart from a squirrel which I saw on the trackbed I also saw both the D stock and the Network Rail rail adhesion trains. However, according to the timetable the D stock RAT was supposed to use the local lines north of Harrow on the Hill. But it didn't. Both times I saw it on the fast lines. On the northbound journey it even stopped at the station, but of course not for passengers. I suspect that nowadays the NR railhead treatment train (RHTT) is the only train which uses locomotives on the Chiltern route via the Met line. All other trains use multiple unit stock. Simon
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 15, 2018 13:53:10 GMT
Yesterday (14th Nov) I was out hunting 'rat' trains. My chosen location (this time) was Moor Park station.
Apart from a squirrel which I saw on the trackbed I also saw both the D stock and the Network Rail rail adhesion trains. However, according to the timetable the D stock RAT was supposed to use the local lines north of Harrow on the Hill. But it didn't. Both times I saw it on the fast lines. On the northbound journey it even stopped at the station, but of course not for passengers. I suspect that nowadays the NR railhead treatment train (RHTT) is the only train which uses locomotives on the Chiltern route via the Met line. All other trains use multiple unit stock. Simon The RAT can be diverted along the fast lines if they require treatment, or to keep it out of the way of late service trains. Likewise, pausing at Moor Park would almost certainly be due to signalling constraints whilst waiting for a path across Watford South Junction.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 15:22:31 GMT
However, according to the timetable the D stock RAT was supposed to use the local lines north of Harrow on the Hill. But it didn't. Both times I saw it on the fast lines. On the northbound journey it even stopped at the station, but of course not for passengers. I can explain. The RAT was running late, that's why it stopped at the station. The controller was putting someone in front. If you have been watching the RAT for a few days, you would notice why it was the fast line both north and south. It was not the RAT train you were looking at xD (well it was not laying). Simply a test run of RAT1 (its RAT2 that is currently running laying sandite)
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Post by movingmillion on Nov 15, 2018 16:00:59 GMT
I never get the chance to see them when I am out on the Met; are they ever around Harrow - Moor Park at 8am or 3pm?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 17:59:30 GMT
I never get the chance to see them when I am out on the Met; are they ever around Harrow - Moor Park at 8am or 3pm? No
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 15, 2018 20:39:41 GMT
Aha, so I saw the secondary RAT, out on test.
Yes it was running late, although experience has shown that these trains can often be 'approximate' in their timings. I was very surprised when I saw it at Moor Park as I had thought that I had missed its northbound journey - I say this because when I was on my way to the Moor Park area I realised that the train I was on was running about 5 minutes later than the RAT. Yes, I should have left home a little earlier than I did!
re: it being on the fast lines, I wondered whether it would be laying the rail adhesion substance, especially as the Network Rail RHTT train was also running on the same tracks and seemed to be watter-jetting the rails. It did seem somewhat pointless that the RAT would lay something on the tracks only to be followed (admittedly not immediately) by the RHTT washing it all off!
A northbound Chiltern passenger train was also delayed at Moor Park (it ran through slowly / did not actually stop) and I wondered whether that was caused by signalling capacity woes. I suspect that part of the problem is that the signalling capacity has been reduced from when it was first installed. I feel sure that the signalling was originally designed in the days of Expresses from Marylebone to Nottingham, Sheffield and Manchester and therefore it mirrored British Rail signalling with both single and double yellow aspects (and the locomotives did not have tripcocks), but since the formation of LUL the double yellow aspect was removed.
Also reduced in scope is Watford South Junction. I recall reading in Underground News a few years ago how when the track was renewed the former high speed points were replaced with much sharper curved low speed points. I noticed how the S stock trains I was travelling on had to slow down to negotiate the point work.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 20:51:20 GMT
The train was late leaving the depot, it had to be prep-ed before coming out. They go out and run to the timetable, but the controllers normally will prioritise passenger trains but if they can get the sandite train out the way quickly, they will. Up the north end of the line, the sandite train and water jet train run on the same track. There is a point where the jetter is about 15 mins behind to clean off all the fresh laid sandite haha.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 23:47:34 GMT
After standing in the station it made a leisurely exit southbound and then stood alongside the carriage depot for several minutes before continuing south. Are you suggesting it traveled by road (scrap) or via rail (possibly into Acton Works) Is this in reference to the D Stock RAT?
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 17, 2018 18:33:34 GMT
The train was late leaving the depot, it had to be prep-ed before coming out. They go out and run to the timetable, but the controllers normally will prioritise passenger trains but if they can get the sandite train out the way quickly, they will. Up the north end of the line, the sandite train and water jet train run on the same track. There is a point where the jetter is about 15 mins behind to clean off all the fresh laid sandite haha. Thanks for the info.
re: the water jetter washing away all the sandite, I am lost for words.
btw, what happened to the Chiltern Railways water jetter? (converted class 115 or class 117 DMU) Does it still still exist? I recall seeing it some years ago in the Rickmansworth area.
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Post by cso on Nov 17, 2018 20:41:38 GMT
btw, what happened to the Chiltern Railways water jetter? (converted class 115 or class 117 DMU) Does it still still exist? I recall seeing it some years ago in the Rickmansworth area.
Not 100% sure... but I believe Chinnor Railway have various things that Chiltern have used for this in the past 977992 Ex Water Jetting Train Vehicle and W55024
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Post by Chris W on Nov 17, 2018 23:01:09 GMT
Are you suggesting it traveled by road (scrap) or via rail (possibly into Acton Works) Is this in reference to the D Stock RAT? No.... my question to jayjaycee related to car 6110... which had been part of the A Stock RAT.
Immediately prior to my post, jayjaycee made reference to a train as being ' it' having traveled southbound. Immediately above his post, albeit a few month before, members had exchanged thoughts re the A Stock. It not being clear what ' it' was, I was asking whether it was the 'A' stock car and whether it was traveling via road or via rail... districtdavesforum.co.uk/post/471384/thread
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 23:33:17 GMT
Is this in reference to the D Stock RAT? No.... my question to jayjaycee related to car 6110... which had been part of the A Stock RAT.
Immediately prior to my post, jayjaycee made reference to a train as being ' it' having traveled southbound. Immediately above his post, albeit a few month before, members had exchanged thoughts re the A Stock. It not being clear what ' it' was, I was asking whether it was the 'A' stock car and whether it was traveling via road or via rail... districtdavesforum.co.uk/post/471384/thread
Thanks very much for clarifying Chris; all very clear now (for a minute I believed there may have been a whole A Stock unit stashed away somehow! If only...) 👍
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Post by westernpathfinder on May 6, 2019 19:18:41 GMT
Hello does any one know if A stock coaches 5234 6234 6235 5235 still exist please thank you
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Post by metman on May 6, 2019 20:24:50 GMT
They departed for scrap nearly a year ago so I would imagine they have been cut up by now.
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Post by westernpathfinder on May 6, 2019 20:31:21 GMT
ok thank you
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Post by movingmillion on May 7, 2019 12:39:43 GMT
I heard on several sources on Facebook that cited their own 'relatively reliable sources' that states that Rotherham were asked to sell on the RAT cars for preservation. Not sure whether this is confirmed or not?
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Post by a60 on May 7, 2019 16:06:08 GMT
I should be quite surprised if any carriages beyond 5034 and 6110 exist now, it's nearly a year ago now that 5234/5 moved off of the system. I'm curious now as to what this Facebook page is called, because it would be heartening to think there's a chance of the unit being saved. However, the realist in me says that because of the alleged asbestos content, LU would have seen their existence outside of being chopped up and melted down, or else being in LU hands as a sheer liability.
Surely, we would have heard something by now if they had have been saved?
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Post by metman on May 7, 2019 21:56:50 GMT
I may be wrong but the scrap dealer was actually banned from selling the cars on as part of the contract. I’d love it to be true but the cars are unlikely to exist.
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Post by goldenarrow on May 8, 2019 18:59:32 GMT
It would all depend on how busy the yard is getting. Certainly at the very end of 2017, there were still a lone A stock DM (no idea which unit) and some 1967 stock cars lingering about but this could have simply been because of the amount of stock on the books at this time.
At present it certainly looks like there is alot of scrap trains to be cut up with Caledonian Sleeper Mk3's, Great Northern Class 313's, TFL Rail Class 315's and a whole host of life expired freight wagons and tankers from the national network with cement wagons making regular trips there in recent months.
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Post by MoreToJack on May 8, 2019 20:40:13 GMT
It would all depend on how busy the yard is getting. Certainly at the very end of 2017, there were still a lone A stock DM (no idea which unit) and some 1967 stock cars lingering about but this could have simply been because of the amount of stock on the books at this time. At present it certainly looks like there is alot of scrap trains to be cut up with Caledonian Sleeper Mk3's, Great Northern Class 313's, TFL Rail Class 315's and a whole host of life expired freight wagons and tankers from the national network with cement wagons making regular trips there in recent months. A stock body spare and 1967/72 stock from Acton Works. All the “squadron” A stock were gone before the first C stock arrived. The strategic 1967 stock at Eastleigh were also scrapped around this time.
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