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Post by stapler on Sept 30, 2017 16:55:19 GMT
This episode is called Ringer and the location shots are filmed on a disused double track viaduct in 1985, no track, curved formation. At first I thought the Blackwall line E of Stepney East (now DLR, but surely clearance there underway in 85?) or the Limehouse curve; but the wider shots led me to consider either near the Selby St coal depot (Whitechapel), or near Millwall Junction. Viewable on UKTV player. Any info gladly received! Forgot to mention; OHE visible in some shots on operational line nearby
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Post by theblackferret on Sept 30, 2017 20:00:56 GMT
This episode is called R inger and the location shots are filmed on a disused double track viaduct in 1985, no track, curved formation. At first I thought the Blackwall line E of Stepney East (now DLR, but surely clearance there underway in 85?) or the Limehouse curve; but the wider shots led me to consider either near the Selby St coal depot (Whitechapel), or near Millwall Junction. Viewable on UKTV player. Any info gladly received! It's on youtube: if that helps anyone who knows the area well. ImDB helpfully tells us this episode was filmed in England-well, there's a thing!!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 30, 2017 22:16:09 GMT
Most of The Bill was actually filmed in south London, after the studios moved to Merton in 1990. (The Cambridge estate in Norbiton was used for location filming on the infamous "Jasmine Allen"). But in 1985 the studios were in Wapping, and most filming was done in that area. (The move was forced by the News International industrial dispute in 1986, and in particular altercations when strikers mistook actors in police uniform for the real thing).
The OHLE makes it evident this is north of the River. I think it is indeed the Limehouse viaduct. Early on there is a station in shot with a two-word name - Stepney East? At one point a street sign for --emming Street is also seen. There is a Hemming Street nearby.
Construction of the DLR did not start until 1985, after the Parliamentary Bills received the Royal Assent that year. That episode was first broadcast in the first week of 1986, and could well have been filmed before any work started on the Limehouse viaduct.
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Post by Chris W on Sept 30, 2017 23:07:44 GMT
It was interesting to watch an episode from more than 30 years ago.... the entire length of a career for most who join the job.
But back to the question...
I’m sure that in one scene an adjacent rail line can be seen in the far distance. Given the proximity of the base, I’d suggest the Limehouse area. The council flats in the background also match those adjacent to the line out of Fenchurch Street, route the DLR now runs on and disused viaducts leading to the then disused docks on the Isle of Dogs.
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Post by stapler on Oct 1, 2017 7:17:40 GMT
NF -- when you say the Limehouse viaduct, presumably you mean the Limehouse curve? The reason I went off that idea is that it was much more constrained by houses close up to the viaduct than the Bill shots seem to illustrate. I walked that viaduct when it was in use for storing derelict wagons, entered only from the south: and it just didn't seen right. Another thought might be the viaduct leading to the MR goods depot (by Pinchin St) but have no idea of its state in 1985, if not actually demolished. There were LCC blocks of flats (1930s)off Ellen St that might be the backdrop. Hemming St -- thanks NF, I missed that -- is actually very near the Selby St coal drops; could the 2-word name be Bethnal Green?
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Post by trt on Oct 1, 2017 8:40:08 GMT
I was surprised by an episode of New Tricks which was filmed on an empty curved viaduct near London Bridge / Vinopolis. I never realised it was there, or that the buildings there were just fronts.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 2, 2017 6:51:13 GMT
could the 2-word name be Bethnal Green? I thought not, but I was looking too close to Bethnal Green station. Given a suitably long telephoto shot Bethnal Green could appear in the background of a shot of what is left of the viaduct leading to the Selby Street depot. maps.nls.uk/view/102345861 for a pre-war view - the area will have changed a lot by 1985. This is what it looks like now www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5220781,-0.0637984,132a,35y,20.33h,45t/data=!3m1!1e3 - note that it is still a car-breakers' yard, although the viaduct is much shorter now than in the film. (The houses on Granary Road look new enough to have been built in the last 30 years) The junction of Hemming Street and Selby Street, (street sign seen in one in-car shot) is almost directly over the East London Line tunnel between Whitechapel and Shoreditch.
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Post by countryman on Oct 2, 2017 15:26:44 GMT
One episode of The Bill was filmed in my old school, St Clement Danes in Du Cane Road, East Acton (or was it Shepherd's Bush). It was most peculiar watching them in all of the corridors and playgrounds that I was so familiar with. They also filmed an episode in Wormholt Road and Steventon Road, also near my school, near where I lived until I was 7, and where many of my relatived used to live. I would guess that the program (trying not to call it a show) was filmed all over London.
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Post by stapler on Oct 2, 2017 15:47:58 GMT
NF, thank you---I think we are there. Yes, the Granary Rd houses and flats are archetypal late 80s-early 90s. Next door is Pellew House, 1930s LCC flats. As far as I can see, there were two curved viaducts in close proximity, a very wide - 6 track - one leading off the south side of the GEML to wagon storage sidings, where the J67 0-6-0T goods station pilot could usually be seen in its own little shed in the 50s, and a 2-track one leading north from the sidings and the ELR to the coal drops. I guess it was this viaduct the detective constable is shown atop. The chute down which various actors jump into a mound of tyres may be one of the actual coal drops. The houses in Hemming St/Vallance Rd had been badly bombed, which explains the wide area of desolation depicted Altogether, a nice memorial of the railway archaeology of Bethnal Green. The OS 25" plan 1950-63 on www.old-maps.co.uk and best accessed by searching Bethnal Green, is a good guide
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Post by jimini on Oct 2, 2017 19:03:59 GMT
Love this thread, so far! I’ve watched The Bill on and off for decades — both when it was first being broadcast and then again in later years on UK Gold etc. Having lived in Tooting for god knows how many years I’m always spotting local shots around Merton Abbey Mills / Colliers Wood station etc when watching. norbitonflyer - fascinated to read of the Wapping situation and answers a long-standing question in my mind re: why the main filming locations moved. In latter years I also noticed quite a bit of the filming moved back out east to Wapping (Shadwell Basin etc) for a few episodes in the early ‘00s, before the program came to an end.
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Post by stapler on Oct 2, 2017 21:30:27 GMT
A good way of checking this is from the Birdseye feature in Maps Bing. The stub of the wide viaduct leaving the GEML can be seen clearly crossing Vallance Rd and Hemming St, when viewed from the south. Its width can be judged by viewing from the east.The narrower viaduct, on which Dashwood is seen, and the site of the coal drops, was between Surma Close and Hemming St; it has been totally demolished. The image on the Britain from Above website (Whitechapel High St and environs 1937) is too small to get any detail, unless a forum member has access to the zoom facility
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 3, 2017 6:46:02 GMT
norbitonflyer - fascinated to read of the Wapping situation and answers a long-standing question in my mind re: why the main filming locations moved. Only what I managed to glean from Wikipedia
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Post by stapler on Oct 3, 2017 7:08:03 GMT
Jimini, the accepted story is that actors were set on by protestors (who thought they were echt police) at the News International plant adjacent, but the unofficial one is that the owners of the site of Sun Hill nick (commercial premises leased out) gave Thames notice as they'd had a better offer!
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Post by stapler on Oct 3, 2017 12:57:51 GMT
And just to note that Peter Kay's London's Railway heritage v2 NE has pictures taken in 1971 of this area (and the general dereliction still apparent in the Bill episode). It also features a map with the triangular junction planned but never built at the top of the ELR here. The sidings on the film appear to have been built on the planned trackbed of this line to the south of the GEML.
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Post by tjw on Oct 3, 2017 17:36:52 GMT
Another good site to see how things have changed is this, maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=51.5236&lon=-0.0625&layers=173&b=1The select a map option gives the 'OS 25 inch 1890-1920' OR the 'TQ ... 1947 - 1964'. The other advantage is the 'Change transparency of overlay:' so you can see the Bing satellite image underneath! I will apologise in advance for all the time you can waste using this feature!
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Post by holborncentral on Oct 19, 2017 17:10:55 GMT
I was staying at a friend's in Morden one night in 2003 and I saw an episode of The Bill being filmed outside a pub right over the road from where she lived. The TV crews were outside it with their cameras. I only wish I had taken a camera so I could have got some photos. I think they still have the warehouse where the props are stored, it's on the road to Savacentre in Merton/Wimbledon. Used to pass by it a lot (I grew up in London and lived there til 2003). My mum used to watch it but I don't know if she watched it to spot places or because she just liked the show.
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Post by stapler on Oct 19, 2017 20:53:30 GMT
Holborncentral, think they moved locations about series 3 or 4, and again in the 90s. That was the Merton location. Sun Hill became much less East-end!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 19, 2017 22:44:35 GMT
Holborncentral, think they moved locations about series 3 or 4, and again in the 90s. That was the Merton location. Sun Hill became much less East-end! They moved in 1987 from Wapping to Kensington, where series 3-5 were filmed, and then in 1989 to Merton where the remaining 21 seasons were filmed. The first move, from Wapping, was forced on them because of altercations with the News International strikers mistaking the actors in costume (i.e police uniform) for the real thing.
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Post by holborncentral on Oct 19, 2017 23:06:19 GMT
Holborncentral, think they moved locations about series 3 or 4, and again in the 90s. That was the Merton location. Sun Hill became much less East-end! They moved in 1987 from Wapping to Kensington, where series 3-5 were filmed, and then in 1989 to Merton where the remaining 21 seasons were filmed. The first move, from Wapping, was forced on them because of altercations with the News International strikers mistaking the actors in costume (i.e police uniform) for the real thing. I never knew it was filmed there. I've only ever known it being filmed in Merton and I've often seen the depot where the props are stored. I only wish I'd had a camera along the night I saw the programme being filmed. If I saw something like that now I would get my phone out and take photos or even a quick video, but in 2003 we didn't have that luxury. Smartphones are a useful thing to have I could also have done with it on a school trip to Dublin in 2007. I saw a peacock out the window of our bus and when I told my parents they just laughed. They didn't believe me. Oh if only I had a photo
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Post by countryman on Oct 20, 2017 8:20:36 GMT
Holborncentral, think they moved locations about series 3 or 4, and again in the 90s. That was the Merton location. Sun Hill became much less East-end! They moved in 1987 from Wapping to Kensington, where series 3-5 were filmed, and then in 1989 to Merton where the remaining 21 seasons were filmed. The first move, from Wapping, was forced on them because of altercations with the News International strikers mistaking the actors in costume (i.e police uniform) for the real thing. So how do the episodes filmed in Du Cane Road, Wormholt Road and Steventon Road in Shepherd's Bush fit in?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 20, 2017 9:36:04 GMT
Filming "on location" took place all over London, depending on what was needed to suit the plot. Locations near the studios would be preferred (hence in the later series scenes involving railway lines tended to be in third rail territory despite the supposed East End setting) but I've spotted scenes filmed some distance from Merton, such as in Kingston town centre, on Holborn Viaduct, and on the Victoria Embankment.
(Similarly, I was watching a drama recently that was supposedly set in Manchester, but in one scene a London bus was clearly seen)
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Post by cso on Oct 20, 2017 9:41:17 GMT
(Similarly, I was watching a drama recently that was supposedly set in Manchester, but in one scene a London bus was clearly seen) A parade of shops in Ickenham has meant to have been Oxford before... so I guess that's not unsurprising :-)
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Post by John Tuthill on Oct 20, 2017 11:27:02 GMT
Filming "on location" took place all over London, depending on what was needed to suit the plot. Locations near the studios would be preferred (hence in the later series scenes involving railway lines tended to be in third rail territory despite the supposed East End setting) but I've spotted scenes filmed some distance from Merton, such as in Kingston town centre, on Holborn Viaduct, and on the Victoria Embankment.
(Similarly, I was watching a drama recently that was supposedly set in Manchester, but in one scene a London bus was clearly seen) I remember witnessing one location filming,in Loughborough Road Brixton. They "dressed" the scene with a burnt out car, and other detritis. Apparently the locals weren't to happy. The classic 'off patch' has got to be 'The Good Life' which supposedly was in Surbiton was actually filmed in Northwood!
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Post by John Tuthill on Oct 20, 2017 11:37:16 GMT
Filming "on location" took place all over London, depending on what was needed to suit the plot. Locations near the studios would be preferred (hence in the later series scenes involving railway lines tended to be in third rail territory despite the supposed East End setting) but I've spotted scenes filmed some distance from Merton, such as in Kingston town centre, on Holborn Viaduct, and on the Victoria Embankment. (Similarly, I was watching a drama recently that was supposedly set in Manchester, but in one scene a London bus was clearly seen) Not forgetting 'Prime Suspect' supposedly based in London, was filmed in Manchester. The giveaway? A mint RM complete with polished nut guard rings, an offside routenumber display. I could never see the stock number, but I'll bet it was RM1414 borrowed from the GMT Museum. Not forgetting THE
classic faux pas, 'Foyle's War' the series which was after the end of the war where he's chasing spies, filmed in Dublin for the period architecture, the set dressed with a fully badged up RM on route 19!
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Post by trt on Oct 20, 2017 12:40:03 GMT
Do you think they'd get away with using Blackpool to film something set in Paris?
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Post by Chris M on Oct 20, 2017 12:43:55 GMT
Possibly!
I do know that Only Fools and Horses, set in Peckham, was actually filmed in Bristol.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 20, 2017 13:38:48 GMT
The Bletchley Circle, set circa 1950, had Routemasters too. And one plotline referred to the "Goblin" - despite the fact that that name only became relevent in the 1980s when the western terminus moved from Kentish Town to Gospel Oak.
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Post by straphanger on Oct 20, 2017 14:50:38 GMT
A lot of The Bill was filmed in the roads around Latimer Road station.
There was one episode of The Professionals where Bodie and Doyle had to investigate a town where the crime stats were very low. Part of the town was in Burnt Oak, but its shopping centre was at Shepherds Bush. They also roared around the mean streets of Mill Hill quite a bit.
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Post by John Tuthill on Oct 20, 2017 15:00:36 GMT
Do you think they'd get away with using Blackpool to film something set in Paris? Quite possibly! Especially if they had an accordian player on a bike wearing a hooped jersey and a beret with a string of onions around his neck Your mention of 'Paris' wasn't the latest Maigret starring the human gargoyle filmed in Budapest?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 20, 2017 15:52:11 GMT
Of course they'd have to hide the trams, show the film back to front so the cars were driving on the French side of the road, and have to explain why the Seine was suddenly 100 miles wide.
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